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wanttorun100
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 Posted: 08/04/06 - 08:58 Post subject: why doesn't Israel counter battery
I know we have systems that can return fire on bad guy before the incomming shells hit the ground.
I was wondering why didn't Israel have/use a simmilar system. I was told the they do have such a system but the Katuska (sp) rockets are too innaccurate for it to work? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. What am I missing?
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andydp
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Posted: 08/04/06 - 10:04 Post subject:
Katusha's are highly mobile; either truck mounted or carried by individuals... i.e. they can be well out of the way by the time the rocket hits Israel.
Sort of like trying to counterbattery a TOW or DRAGON missile.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 08/04/06 - 11:17 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | Katusha's are highly mobile; either truck mounted or carried by individuals... i.e. they can be well out of the way by the time the rocket hits Israel.
Sort of like trying to counterbattery a TOW or DRAGON missile. |
what's the flight time on those boogers though? I thought counter battery could be done in seconds
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Posted: 08/04/06 - 11:34 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | andydp wrote: | Katusha's are highly mobile; either truck mounted or carried by individuals... i.e. they can be well out of the way by the time the rocket hits Israel.
Sort of like trying to counterbattery a TOW or DRAGON missile. |
what's the flight time on those boogers though? I thought counter battery could be done in seconds |
Flight time is immaterial... shoot and scoot applies. You shoot off rocket you leave the area while rocket is in flight. Physically impossible to counterbattery if the battery has moved. Same tactic we use with Hellfire missiles - shoot and forget.
Katushas are holdovers from WW II. Extremely low tech items. These types used to be called FROG (Free Rocket Over Ground) they are unguided and extremely low tech.
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Posted: 08/08/06 - 07:04 Post subject:
I think you can thank the War in Iraq for teaching Middle East terror groups more effective ways of fighting powers such as the U.S. and Israel. In the past this skirmish would have already been over and the Arabs would simply be skulking.
But they have learned while watching the U.S. get bogged down in Iraq how to hit and run. The U.S. and Israel would do well to remember the Biblical story and David and Goliath.
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Posted: 08/08/06 - 09:18 Post subject:
right - of course we all know that Israel is leaving pockets of rockets alone so the hezbo's will keep firing and they (Israel) can keep killing
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Posted: 08/08/06 - 11:23 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | I think you can thank the War in Iraq for teaching Middle East terror groups more effective ways of fighting powers such as the U.S. and Israel. In the past this skirmish would have already been over and the Arabs would simply be skulking.
But they have learned while watching the U.S. get bogged down in Iraq how to hit and run. The U.S. and Israel would do well to remember the Biblical story and David and Goliath. |
I'd rather use common sense and thank Iran and Syria for supplying said terror groups with the weaponry they are using. There isn't any comparison between David/Goliath and the current events.
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Posted: 08/08/06 - 12:08 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | GaRebelRunner wrote: | I think you can thank the War in Iraq for teaching Middle East terror groups more effective ways of fighting powers such as the U.S. and Israel. In the past this skirmish would have already been over and the Arabs would simply be skulking.
But they have learned while watching the U.S. get bogged down in Iraq how to hit and run. The U.S. and Israel would do well to remember the Biblical story and David and Goliath. |
I'd rather use common sense and thank Iran and Syria for supplying said terror groups with the weaponry they are using. There isn't any comparison between David/Goliath and the current events. |
Besides God was on the Side of Israel (David) can't imagine he's changed his mind
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Posted: 08/08/06 - 12:47 Post subject:
Don't shoot the messenger folks. I agree Israel had the right to go after Hezbollah for coming into Israel to attack their soldiers. But from reading the reactions of the IDF in papers such as the "Sydney Morning Herald" (www.smh.com.au) I get the distinct impression they are very surpised at the sophistication and how well fortified Hezbollah has become in the last six years since they left.
And if you look at what has happened at the way the insurgents in Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan and now Hezbollah in Lebanon there is a distinct change in the way such groups are picking their fights with larger and better equipped foes. Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq I'm not so sure Hezbollah would be as emboldened as they are now.
And wtr - While I fully respect your opinion, your statement concerning God being on the side of David is no different than that of a Muslim cleric saying the same thing in their struggles. That's part of the problem with religions getting entangled in secular politics today. Thus, both the Israeli and Lebanon citizens can standby for more incoming missiles with little chance of them being "intercepted" or shot down before hitting their targets, whether selected or not.
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Posted: 08/08/06 - 16:08 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: |
And wtr - While I fully respect your opinion, your statement concerning God being on the side of David is no different than that of a Muslim cleric saying the same thing in their struggles. That's part of the problem with religions getting entangled in secular politics today. |
Just as a historical note. WW II German Army Belt buckles were emblazoned with: "Gott mitt uns" (God is with us)
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