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cherylpf
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 Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:04 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | Most of you know Grizzly from over at CR. He visited the US recently for a family vacation and then posted about it. It really bothered me that one of his observations was that a lot of (most?) Americans were overweight. I think it is really a shame that the impression we give as a country is that of over-abundance. Over-abundance about a lot of things though, the cars we drive, the homes we live in, the portions we eat, and of course, the size of our bodies.
Another thing that bothers me is this idea that we are headed for a national crisis. I agree obesity is apparently out of control, but whose problem is it? I am really, really, really tired of the American mentality that nothing is my fault. There is no personal accountability any more. We are seeing the beginnings, and hopefully the failure of, litigation against food suppliers because the people stuffing their mouths have no self control and want someone else to blame.
If people can't control themselves, and the government feels obligated to step in, what's next? What will the government want to control because the people can't control themselves? I don't like BIG government. I've always thought that the less the government intrudes in my life the better. But it seems as though I am destined for BIG government because the people in this country don't and won't take care of themselves. The more we, as people, refuse to accept accountability and responsiblity, the more power we give to our government to take over our lives. Afraid of John Ashcroft? Perhaps you should be more afraid of your neighbor. |
Well said, OL. I don't like the idea of Big government forcing decisions on me because others can't or just won't take responsibility for themselves. At the same time though it will be all of us who pay in terms of tax dollars and health insurance premiums as the health of our country deteriorates due to heart disease, cancer and diabetes, etc etc etc.
I don't like to pass the responsibility on, or try to be a conspiracy theroist, but isn't it interesting though how large portions are in restaurants now as opposed to even a few years ago? As well as how much extremely unhealthy packaged prepared food is available at the grocery store? It does seem that the average consumer with not a whole lot of health knowledge might have a hard time deciphering what is good and not good. I think we here in RF are all at an advantage because our hobbies are healthy ones and we research these things. Do you think John Q. Public would easily determine that McDonalds new Crispy Chicken Bacon Ranch Salad has more fat and calories than a big mac, even though its a 'salad' (which it does)? I don't know what needs to be done, but some cooperation from some of the food producers could be helpful, as well as a lot of public education.
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:13 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | Do you think John Q. Public would easily determine that McDonalds new Crispy Chicken Bacon Ranch Salad has more fat and calories than a big mac, even though its a 'salad' (which it does)? |
Maybe so, but there's one more inch strip of lettuce in the salad than on the Big Mac, so it's worth it. 
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cherylpf
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:14 Post subject:
| runswithscissors wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: | | Do you think John Q. Public would easily determine that McDonalds new Crispy Chicken Bacon Ranch Salad has more fat and calories than a big mac, even though its a 'salad' (which it does)? |
Maybe so, but there's one more inch strip of lettuce in the salad than on the Big Mac, so it's worth it. |
 Meet ya at McD's in 20 minutes for super sized value meals??
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:17 Post subject:
Yeah, I laughed and then became  when I heard about their new salads, pffffff (I'm sure their deep-fried as well, no?).
The heart disease/obesity numbers are growing exponentially off the charts in places like China now that it's being 'americanized'...
Instead of focussing on adults, I'm more concerned about obese children and love to see running clubs and such created for them (just recently a running club was created for middle school girls here in WI)...
My sister in law feeds her kids complete GARBAGE...Cookies, chips and soda right before bedtime...man...
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:19 Post subject:
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My sister in law feeds her kids complete GARBAGE...Cookies, chips and soda right before bedtime...man... |
You mean, that's bad? Mikey will be disappointed.
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:20 Post subject:
What I find so funny is the simplicity of it all.
Eat less calories than expend and you will lose weight. 
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:20 Post subject:
The number of obese kids is outstounding. Its a shame.
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shelflifers
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:24 Post subject:
| monk25 wrote: | What I find so funny is the simplicity of it all.
Eat less calories than expend and you will lose weight. |
Right! I mean if you can balance your checkbook, you should be able to lose calories, yes?!
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:26 Post subject:
| shelflifers wrote: | Yeah, I laughed and then became when I heard about their new salads, pffffff (I'm sure their deep-fried as well, no?).
The heart disease/obesity numbers are growing exponentially off the charts in places like China now that it's being 'americanized'...
Instead of focussing on adults, I'm more concerned about obese children and love to see running clubs and such created for them (just recently a running club was created for middle school girls here in WI)...
My sister in law feeds her kids complete GARBAGE...Cookies, chips and soda right before bedtime...man... |
Obese children bother me immensely. If you are gonna have unhealthy habits fine, but take care of your children! Might as well give'em a cigarette after their dinner o' lard.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:26 Post subject:
| shelflifers wrote: | Yeah, I laughed and then became when I heard about their new salads, pffffff (I'm sure their deep-fried as well, no?).
The heart disease/obesity numbers are growing exponentially off the charts in places like China now that it's being 'americanized'...
Instead of focussing on adults, I'm more concerned about obese children and love to see running clubs and such created for them (just recently a running club was created for middle school girls here in WI)...
My sister in law feeds her kids complete GARBAGE...Cookies, chips and soda right before bedtime...man... |
Yeah, adults feel much more about on the obesity issue, but children, I just feel terrible when I see overweight kids because they can't help it, at least not befoe a certain age. I read once that once they are about 12 and still overweight they are almost guaranteed to be overweight adults. Its not fair to do that to your kid. I volunteer at several kids fun runs in town, I think whatever we can do to get the kiddos more active at a younger age can help.
Also a big  on disgusting in-laws and their poor dietary influences on nieces and nephews (although can I expect any more from a man who is in excess of 340 and only 5'9"?  no I do not like my BIL)
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:27 Post subject:
| shelflifers wrote: | It's easy for us to point fingers and nod in disaproval but WE aren't the ones overweight and have the bad habits to battle every second of the day. Sure, we work our butts off and 'yahoo!' for us! But not everyone can be like us. And for those of you that did lose alot of weight, my hat goes off to you. I'm sure you'll be the first to say that it wasn't easy. But you had the drive and determination to stay positive, determined and look where it got you?
But like I said, not everyone has it in them. |
I can't believe I'm going to say this to you, shelfie, but I disagree with you. It's a cop out when people say "I want to lose weight and exercise but I can't". I have been overweight since I was seven years old. I could blame it on my emotional problems, my inability to deal with myself when I was younger, my parents who made me clean my plate, whatevah. But that would a lie. I have only myself to blame, and after yo-yoing for many years, battling a life-threatening eating disorder, and making excuses for years, I finally found my cure last May: running.
I am still overweight, but no longer dangerously so. I've lost 40 pounds and have another 35-45 to go. I've learned to have a few pints a week instead of a few a night, I've vastly improved my diet, and have recently seriously upped my mileage to accelerate the weight loss. It's been a long, slow process, but I'm doing it safely and am enjoying the shape I'm evolving into much more than the cheese fries and mozzarella sticks of old.
Yes, it's easier and more convenient to eat like crap. As a society we've gotten lazy and complacent about everything - why not diet and exercise? But if you have no self control, you should expect to look like you have none and should quit your b!tching about being fat. Can't resist the cookies/chips/etc. in your house? DON'T BUY THEM. Can't say no to sauteed mushrooms and onions on your steak? EAT IN. And for the love of Pete, please don't pass on your lazy eating and exercise habits to your kids. Set a good example for lifelong health.
My weight has been a lifelong struggle, and no doubt will always be. Having been there (crap, I'm STILL there), I have a lot of sympathy for the overweight. But excluding a few rare medical cases I do not accept for a minute the excuse that people want to lose weight but cannot. That mentality is simply bullsh!t that smacks of laziness.
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:27 Post subject:
The weight loss gimmick industry in this country is no help either. It not just popping a pill, proper diet and some exercise are needed.
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:35 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | The number of obese kids is outstounding. Its a shame. |
a bigger SHAME is the fact that obese kids are now developing type 2 diabetes which has always been known to me as and "old person's affliction" Type 2 Diabetes is basically when your body says -- ENOUGH damnit!! i can not continue to make insulin to give you energy if you continue to cram crap into your mouth and do zero exercize. As a pancreas, i say take this job and shove it baby -- i'm quittin....
and, as a result, older people are faced with increased heart disease, amputations, blindness and kidney disease because of type 2 diabetes which sets in at 65 or so....
now, i tutor kids (obese kids) who are type 2 diabetics. this is a sickening part of this fattening of America. talk about serious health issues down the road. it makes me cringe. RED FLAG= kids with type 2 diabetes. They may have a genetic predisposition to the disease, but this one can be delayed or avoided completely.
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:38 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | The weight loss gimmick industry in this country is no help either. It not just popping a pill, proper diet and some exercise are needed. |
Thats where the conspiracy theorist in me comes out. I find it odd that food keeps getting fattier as the 'weight loss industry' continues to boom and profit...do you think the right hand is in some sick inverse way actually helping out the left hand in this situation? Both sides feed off the same dumb hedonistic public while also gaining more clients? It could be one giant vicious cycle.
or it could be I watched too many movies over the weekend
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omega lambda
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Posted: 05/12/03 - 12:48 Post subject:
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I don't like to pass the responsibility on, or try to be a conspiracy theroist, but isn't it interesting though how large portions are in restaurants now as opposed to even a few years ago? As well as how much extremely unhealthy packaged prepared food is available at the grocery store? It does seem that the average consumer with not a whole lot of health knowledge might have a hard time deciphering what is good and not good. I think we here in RF are all at an advantage because our hobbies are healthy ones and we research these things. Do you think John Q. Public would easily determine that McDonalds new Crispy Chicken Bacon Ranch Salad has more fat and calories than a big mac, even though its a 'salad' (which it does)? I don't know what needs to be done, but some cooperation from some of the food producers could be helpful, as well as a lot of public education. |
I don't think it is a conspiracy, Cheryl. I think people vote with their dollars everyday, and if the restaurants and markets are providing larger portions and unhealthful foods, it's because that's what sells. Follow the money. If people only wanted to buy healthful foods; salads and tofu, vegetables and broiled chicken, what do you think the restaurants would sell? McDonald's would be changing their menu faster than you can say "Supersize it please!"
Public education is important. But do you really think that because we're runners, or that we are focusing on our health that we're the only people who know the facts? There are public service announcements, there are newspaper and magazine articles, there are a bazillion books; the information is out there. I've known a lot about nutrition for a lot longer than I have exercised regularly or started running. You don't have to be dedicated to a sport to understand nutrition.
Monk is right. It is a basic energy equation. And if people refuse to help themselves, that's their choice. And in so choosing, only they should pay the higher medical costs and premiums.
For the record, I don't think everyone should look like the models on the covers of magazines. I think the obesity statistics are overstated, and that there are a lot of people who are carrying extra pounds but are also very healthy, not at risk and shouldn't worry one iota about losing weight. But people who are morbidly obese are just like anyone else fighting a chronic illness. No one else can make them healthy, and it isn't anyone else's responsibility to do so. With every bite they take, they make a choice. I refuse to be responsible for that.
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