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ShannonG
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 Posted: 02/20/04 - 15:52 Post subject: shoplifter killed by store employees
It's not official yet, but the story I posted last week about the shoplifter who lost consciousness after fighting with store employees and later died continues here. He died due to complete lack of oxygen to the brain; a 'choke hold'. Toxicology reports have yet to come back to show if he was taking substances of any kind.
My sister went on and on last night about how he 'got what he deserved'. There should be a death penalty for stealing TV parts? Her angle was that since he was a 'coke addict' (her assumption) he was going to steal from others too, and so the employees were justified in choking him to death. Give me a break.
Tof had to have a meeting with his employees and go over their protocol should theft occur. The gist was 'nothing in this store is worth a human life. Call 911 and let the police do their jobs.'
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:05 Post subject: Re: shoplifter killed by store employees
| ShannonG wrote: | The gist was 'nothing in this store is worth a human life. Call 911 and let the police do their jobs.'
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that'd be mine.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:14 Post subject:
But how do you know the perp isn't carrying a piece with him? You wait around for the police to show up?
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Dancer
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:14 Post subject:
We had the opposite here. An employee of CVS followed a shoplifter out of his store and the shoplifter stabbed him to death. What is wrong with people?
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ShannonG
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:16 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | But how do you know the perp isn't carrying a piece with him? You wait around for the police to show up? |
This is Canada. No one has a 'piece' (if you're referring to a handgun).
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
One well-aimed taser would've been just as effective as a chokehold.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:18 Post subject:
| ShannonG wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | But how do you know the perp isn't carrying a piece with him? You wait around for the police to show up? |
This is Canada. No one has a 'piece' (if you're referring to a handgun). |
because there's a law, no one has guns??
where's the NRA on this? when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:20 Post subject:
| ShannonG wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | But how do you know the perp isn't carrying a piece with him? You wait around for the police to show up? |
This is Canada. No one has a 'piece' (if you're referring to a handgun). |
No I was referring to a piece of a.. never mind. 
You can't unfotunately make that assumption there. Not in places that have gun bans or registry (like Canada or Australia), but allow guns for, among other things, hunting. That and the spread of gang warfare.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:26 Post subject:
It's true that nothing in the store is worth a human life. But are you supposed to let him get away? Unless you could tie the guy up, what can you do? And then where do you draw the line? If someone breaks into your house at night, do you wait to find out if they have a gun? I sure wouldn't. I've got to side with the store people on this. If you're doing illegal activity and harming other people in some way, even financially, you have to take that risk. Siding with the shoplifter makes crime look acceptable.
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ShannonG
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:34 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | ShannonG wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | But how do you know the perp isn't carrying a piece with him? You wait around for the police to show up? |
This is Canada. No one has a 'piece' (if you're referring to a handgun). |
because there's a law, no one has guns??
where's the NRA on this? when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. |
People here hold up banks with Xacto knifes and their fingers jammed inside the pocket of their coats. I can remember one case of an armed man with a gun involving police, and that was a decade ago. I'm in a major urban center, the largest city outside of the lower mainland of BC.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
While agree nothing in the store is worth a life, i take it as he got what he brought onto himself. he may not have deserved death but he put himself in a situation that increased his chances of it. sort of like a drug addict doing an overdose.
i just hope the employee with the choke hold does not get brought up on legals.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 16:48 Post subject:
Now's where elkid's "you lay, you pay" quote comes in.... only it's you play, you pay... Granted he didn't deserve to die for shoplifting but I sure as hell can't fault someone for taking a criminal down and holding him there. He was probably pumped on adrenaline and was trying to keep an uncooperative idiot under control. Asphyxiating him is one way to do that.... bummer for the crook.... warn the employees to be kinder and gentler next time....
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 20:16 Post subject:
I am sure the shoplifter did not try stealing for the first time.
I do not condone justice but most stores policy would say let the guy go it is just not worth it.
No matter what he/she is stealing death is not worth it. What about the case dancer cited...that is what happens when it goes to far.
The store employees were out of line but the bad guy made a bad choice, committed a crime. He would not have died had he not committed the crime simply stated.
Employees should be charged and tried. Though they will likely either plea out or be found not guilty.
I would love to also know the size difference between choker and chokee
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 22:40 Post subject:
| Quote: | | I do not condone justice but most stores policy would say let the guy go it is just not worth it. No matter what he/she is stealing death is not worth it. |
Televison parts. The thief died for television parts. I mean, gee, it wasn't even a whole t.v.! I don't know in which state this occurred but I doubt that it was a capital crime.
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Posted: 02/20/04 - 22:41 Post subject:
| Quote: | | Employees should be charged and tried. Though they will likely either plea out or be found not guilty. |
Agreed. However, I think it highly likely that there will be no indictments handed down. It seems like it'd be hard to prove that the choke hold was used with the intent to kill.
I don't feel sorry for the thief. He shouldn't have committed the crime. Then again, I don't feel any sorrow for the choker. He's going to have to live the rest of his life knowing that he killed a person who was stealing...television parts.
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