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 Posted: 10/28/04 - 10:57 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Yep, it's true. Things like travel will once again be for the elite only.
I just don't see why we need to be pulled kicking and screaming to the table to start funding sun- and wind-based energy when it's such an obvious need. It's a sad thing to see that people are so driven by money. |
People maybe all for wind and sun power, but the NIMBY has to be overcome first.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:02 Post subject:
Cappy's referring to the Cape Wind issue up on Cape Cod, in which a company wants to put forth wind power in what is arguably one of the top three windiest places in America but people who in the rest of their lives are ardent environmentalists (Walter Cronkite, Robert Kennedy to name two) are giving them a terrible time b/c the project will include putting turbines in Nantucket Sound.
It does make me wonder how people who can't stand to see a turbine from their backyard will feel when it's the only game in town. Aesthetics are entirely contextual.
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elkid
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:03 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | People maybe all for wind and sun power, but the NIMBY has to be overcome first. |
I bet if you offer people a huge tax deduction they'd jump on it.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:06 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Cappy's referring to the Cape Wind issue up on Cape Cod, in which a company wants to put forth wind power in what is arguably one of the top three windiest places in America but people who in the rest of their lives are ardent environmentalists (Walter Cronkite, Robert Kennedy to name two) are giving them a terrible time b/c the project will include putting turbines in Nantucket Sound.
It does make me wonder how people who can't stand to see a turbine from their backyard will feel when it's the only game in town. Aesthetics are entirely contextual. |
You can't expect complete consistency from people. Nobody is.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:07 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: |
If energy policy ranked higher than other issues for me personally, then you're right, Kerry is a better candidate, but I have 'trump' issues that determine my vote. |
I understand and respect that choice. That said, I think this may be an issue that is in everyone's 'top three' come '08...I only wish Kerry was pushing it harder this year, because there is a clear difference between the candidates in this regard, and it is a 'real' issue that effects virtually all of us...
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Cappy
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:07 Post subject:
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I bet if you offer people a huge tax deduction they'd jump on it. |
I agree
But I am sure the people in Radnor, Lower Merion, Gladwynne, etc, are not going to say sure build a windmill field. Now if it was in North or West Philly the Main Line folks would be all for it. (Generalization on my part)
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:08 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: |
You can't expect complete consistency from people. Nobody is. |
Yes, I'm constantly learning that. But when an issue is something so dear to you that you spend as much time as these people do crusading it for it, it just looks flat-out hypocritical to approach alternative energy as problematic simply b/c it means looking at turbines.
Also, I misspoke. Cappy was speaking about the issue generally, not specifically about Cape Wind. My bad.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 13:47 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | [Come on GRR. That is a big stretch and you know it. Every president since Carter has allocated budget dollars to researching/developing alternative fuel sources. Maybe its not enough, but judging by your previous opinion there are alot of things not federally funded enough for your tastes (i.e. AIDS research). |
I have never said a word about AIDS research on this board. But your narrow minded intolerant bigotry is noted. Thank you.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 14:17 Post subject:
A few things:
Alan, you rock!! :Thank you for introducing the Hubbert's peak early on in this thread. This guy, and his colleagues are not lefty environmentalists (sorry Sonny) but Texas oil geologists who were damn right about US oil production and seemingly correct about world decline as well.
Remember the crisis that Shell went through earlier this year? It was because their stated reserves were far greater than what was actually in the ground. Royal Dutch Shell isn't an anomaly, it's a freakin' Canary in the Coal Mine.
G3: Its easy to rehash a conversation here that we've had many times over the dinner table--we have lived through the 'golden age' of world travel, as far as common folks are concerned. Going to Europe (let alone anywhere more distant) is going to once again be the purview of the richest of the rich again (the Grand Tour), sadly I fear, in my own lifetime. So if you want you or your kids to see something of the world, go into hock a bit now. We bought tickets to London just before the big price increases and it was still a lot more than we would've paid a few short years ago.
OK, I'll say it. . . do we really think that the oil industry insiders who are so deep into the Bush administration had no inkling this was going on? Does it really seem so preposterous that at least a chunk of Bush's decision to invade Iraq had to do with having control (Oops!) or at least controlling interest in a major oil field and a presence smack dab in the middle of the world's major oil and gas producing region?
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 14:30 Post subject:
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I have never said a word about AIDS research on this board. But your narrow minded intolerant bigotry is noted. Thank you. |
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 23:15 Post subject:
Oh heck....I think I'll just go live in a cabin in the woods and eat rabbits and squirrels and roots and greens and berries..... 
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 09:36 Post subject:
| bburgoyne26 wrote: | | Oh heck....I think I'll just go live in a cabin in the woods and eat rabbits and squirrels and roots and greens and berries..... |
You act like that'll be a choice instead of a necessity 
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runaroundsue
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 10:41 Post subject:
| bburgoyne26 wrote: | | Oh heck....I think I'll just go live in a cabin in the woods and eat rabbits and squirrels and roots and greens and berries..... |
some of us got that covered  Well, to a certain extent.....couldn'et convince the DH that a woodburner was a good idea.
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Posted: 01/25/05 - 12:53 Post subject:
$80 Oil, Here We Come! is an essay by Bill Powers, who is editor of the Canadian Energy Viewpoint. He writes, "the price of oil will not significantly pull back from today's levels and is likely to reach the $80 mark within the next 24 months."
He notes that oil is getting harder and harder to get out of the ground, and that they are using massive amounts of water injection to extract the oil. Specifically, he writes, "High water cuts at Ghawar (7 million barrels of water a day according to sources) are a clear indication that the world's largest field is about to head into a steep and irreversible decline."
Joy!! 
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Posted: 01/25/05 - 12:57 Post subject:
what until hydrogen technology gets really going. If we every became self sufficent for our oil with all of our technology they won't be able to give the oil away.
Beleive me, there is real money in alternative fuel, come up with a cost effective, convienent and sustainable source and the Arabs will really hate us then when all of our money stops flowing.
The answer to the original question, my life will likely change little. I will still have to drive to work and stuff but Robin will still take the train. I will still have an SUV because both of us must be able to get to work period.
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