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 Posted: 10/23/03 - 00:46 Post subject: new Columbine video.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/983695.asp
GOLDEN, Colo., Oct. 22 — A videotape of the Columbine High School gunmen laughing and shooting at trees and bowling pins six weeks before they killed 12 classmates and a teacher was released to the public Wednesday.
“IMAGINE THAT in someone’s [expletive] brain,” one of the teens says.
...you're right. imagine being put through so much sh*t that your gonna shoot up the world. imagine indeed.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 07:58 Post subject: Re: new Columbine video.
| blue wrote: | | ...you're right. imagine being put through so much sh*t that your gonna shoot up the world. imagine indeed. |
You're kidding, right, about having sympathy for those punks? Compared to a lot of people, they had very good lives.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 08:01 Post subject:
I've always hoped that my kids would be nice kids, not the bullying type, and have always tried to teach them to be good people, but after Columbine I really started on Libby in particular about not being mean to her peers, and to not hang around those who are mean to their peers. It's right to not tease people, but it goes beyond that now. What you do and say can get you killed.
A lot of Columbine though too was being in the wrong place at the wrong time, wasn't it? Nothing can save you from that. Very sad. I feel badly for all those involved in any sort of action like that. And I worry about my kids every day...
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 08:05 Post subject: Re: new Columbine video.
| elkid wrote: | | blue wrote: | | ...you're right. imagine being put through so much sh*t that your gonna shoot up the world. imagine indeed. |
You're kidding, right, about having sympathy for those punks? Compared to a lot of people, they had very good lives. |
How do you know what their lives were like? Evidently they were always being picked on. On top of that, seems like their parents weren't very involved. Imagine having a horrible life at school, then no one to help you through it, plus all that regular angst that a lot of teens have.
Living in a nice house and having nice things does not necessarily equate a good life. Money cannot buy happiness.
Imagine if they were your kids who did the shooting. You might feel differently.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 08:18 Post subject:
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 08:24 Post subject: Re: new Columbine video.
| brie k wrote: | | elkid wrote: | | You're kidding, right, about having sympathy for those punks? Compared to a lot of people, they had very good lives. |
How do you know what their lives were like? Evidently they were always being picked on. On top of that, seems like their parents weren't very involved. Imagine having a horrible life at school, then no one to help you through it, plus all that regular angst that a lot of teens have.
Living in a nice house and having nice things does not necessarily equate a good life. Money cannot buy happiness.
Imagine if they were your kids who did the shooting. You might feel differently. |
Brie, the thing that scares me is that these conditions exist at practically every American High School. Also, that Klebold and Harris had family situations (like you describe) that are also quite common.
The amazing thing is that Columbine-scale 'events' haven't happened on a regular basis.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 08:33 Post subject: Re: new Columbine video.
| gretriever wrote: | | brie k wrote: | | elkid wrote: | | You're kidding, right, about having sympathy for those punks? Compared to a lot of people, they had very good lives. |
How do you know what their lives were like? Evidently they were always being picked on. On top of that, seems like their parents weren't very involved. Imagine having a horrible life at school, then no one to help you through it, plus all that regular angst that a lot of teens have.
Living in a nice house and having nice things does not necessarily equate a good life. Money cannot buy happiness.
Imagine if they were your kids who did the shooting. You might feel differently. |
Brie, the thing that scares me is that these conditions exist at practically every American High School. Also, that Klebold and Harris had family situations (like you describe) that are also quite common.
The amazing thing is that Columbine-scale 'events' haven't happened on a regular basis. |
I think we should go with an Archie Bunker solution and arm all the kids...that way when one or two go wacko, the others would be armed and able to take care of themselves.....
THIS IS A JOKE PEOPLE, so before you get all goofy, take your kids out of school, wrap them in bubble wrap, put them in a corner and keep them safe
just make sure you cut breathing holes in the bubble wrap
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 09:26 Post subject:
I saw a clip of the video on the O'Reilly Factor before i switched over to 12 innings of baseball goodness.
What do we expect out of that video? We know these are the kids who shot up their school and murdered their classmates. Yeah, it's going to be callous, yeah, it's going to be creepy and foreshadow Columbine. Of course. It's not like we were going to see a video of the boys petting bunny rabbits.
I'm sure that their lives were unhappy and that they were picked on. Maybe their parents weren't there for the kids and maybe the kids didn't let the parents get involved in their lives....and maybe that really doesn't matter or explain a thing.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 09:33 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: |
I'm sure that their lives were unhappy and that they were picked on. Maybe their parents weren't there for the kids and maybe the kids didn't let the parents get involved in their lives....and maybe that really doesn't matter or explain a thing. |
I think you are right, that it may not explain any of it. A lot of teens go through far worse than just being tormented by their peers & lack of parental involvement, but still don't go shooting up their schools. No explanation whatsoever.
This could happen to any of our kids, whether they're the ones getting shot, or they're the ones doing the shooting. I don't ever subscribe to the "it couldn't happen to my kids" mentality. It's a trap. You just do the best you can and hope for the best.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 09:37 Post subject:
| brie k wrote: | | Pug wrote: |
I'm sure that their lives were unhappy and that they were picked on. Maybe their parents weren't there for the kids and maybe the kids didn't let the parents get involved in their lives....and maybe that really doesn't matter or explain a thing. |
I think you are right, that it may not explain any of it. A lot of teens go through far worse than just being tormented by their peers & lack of parental involvement, but still don't go shooting up their schools. No explanation whatsoever.
This could happen to any of our kids, whether they're the ones getting shot, or they're the ones doing the shooting. I don't ever subscribe to the "it couldn't happen to my kids" mentality. It's a trap. You just do the best you can and hope for the best. |
Exactly.
I stutter. Anyone wanna guess how much fun school was for me? I never talked to my parents so even if they wanted to find out what was happening, it's not like i told them. They ask, and i say "it's fine". Sure, things sucked, but it's not like i was ever gonna go shoot everyone up. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 10:09 Post subject:
Very few kids that age are going to go to their parents, it's a natural part of the growing up phase to keep your folks at arms length, especially if you're plotting something as sinister as Columbine. Maybe the parents should have known, but I don't think many of us would actually believe our own kids were thinking something that evil.
I don't understand the point of the tapes, and people are suing to get more released. What is this suppose to prove? We already know the end result. We know who sold these two the guns. We know they planned this for weeks. If the families of the victims want to see them, fine, I think they're entittled. The public may be too, but they serve no purpose. It's 30 minutes of kids shooting guns, wondering what this would look like on a person. Honestly, I think lots of kids who shoot guns wonder the same thing, they just have no intention of carrying it out. They're curious, that's why movies like Freddy v. Jason, TX Chainsaw etc are so popular.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 11:38 Post subject:
I think overpublicizing is going to have negative consequences rather than positive ones.
Didn't we all get made fun of in school? I was never popular, rich, skinny, or pretty. I got teased a hella lot. Did I shoot anyone? H*ll no. Was a gun available to me? Most definitely. Did I have respect for that weapon's power? H*ll yes. Did I want to hurt the people who hurt me? H*ll yes! Did I respect human life? Most definitely!!
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 18:03 Post subject:
down with the publicity indeed.
yeah killing people isn't cool. but it's kinda like all of a sudden someone turned around and fought *back*.
i mean if the cool kids get on you at school, how do you possibly turn it back on them? well you can't really... because you'll get it back 30 times worse.
yeah we all got teased, but think of the kids that got it real bad. there's a guy at my school they call matrix guy, everyone thinks he's a freak because he wears sunglasses in school, and a leather coat. but he's super nice. but from the first second everyone was like "sure thing freak".
ever watch the movie carrie? just like that. (telekenesis and psycho mother aside) a weird kid gets teased to the point that she freaks out. and i suppose that's her fault right?
you kinda have to wonder when people will stop judging others, and stop belittling people. i mean it can ruin peoples lives.
i wish there's another way to make a statement against it, but how do you do it? they made their point pretty damn good, but the teasing still goes on.
it's too bad it won't stop. i don't know why people feel so good doing it. but hey, random outbursts like this might get them some attention.
i know i'm not going to make a point of putting people down.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 18:44 Post subject:
What still makes me angry to this day, is that adults look the other way or encourage kidlets to be mean. When I got teased by my brothers, my parents put a stop to it. When I got teased at school, the adults looked the other way. It's not like they don't understand mob mentality.
I have a huge beef with parents who encourage their children to be bullies, either by being bullies themselves, or condoning the behaviour. I have a bigger beef with the adults on the playground who don't stop bullying. And I have an even bigger beef with adults who refuse to help the bullied child. Being told "You're just a tattle tale" is a recipe for disaster. Why do we tell the bullied child to keep their chin up, ignore the bullies, etc. etc. Why doesn't anyone expect the bullies to modify their behaviour? What the hell is wrong with people anyway?
Oh yeah, two wrongs don't make a right. Killing people is wrong. And I think there are a whole lot of people responsible for what happened at Columbine, not just the shooters and the two men who sold them the guns. Maybe viewing the videos will cause them to stop and think about the conditions that caused two young men to lose their minds.
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Posted: 10/23/03 - 18:47 Post subject:
I hear what you're trying to say Blue (or at least I think I do). Kids are vicous (and I can't spell). I had a young man last year who wore an overcoat, fidora (grandpa's hat, in case my spelling is that off), and a suit most days. He was so smart, and so sweet and the kids were awful. One day during self defense one of the bigger kids picked him to be his partner and it really worried me. Turns out young "J" got the last laugh, he was as blackbelt and made the bigger kid look like a chump. He didn't have as much trouble after that. All the kids wanted him to show them moves etc...
I always tell my kids I hope they are loving h.s. because for many of them, it will be the worst time of their lives, and if they're happy now, they'll be estatic later.
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