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genie
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 Posted: 10/19/04 - 12:57 Post subject:
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Uh yeah......I get it. Most of the physicians that I worked with make over $300,000/year of EARNED INCOME (see, I got it). They worked in a hospital and not for a private practice. |
So how is it right to judge all those in the broader category by the few that you worked with? Why is it so inconceivable that others would not be included in that generalization? Many of the larger hospitals are incorporated, at least here on the east coast, but I am betting it's different in the Midwest. Regionally speaking, the coasts always tend to pay better than the rest of the country, no?
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:03 Post subject:
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And a lot of the ones I know are doing better than I am but are not rich by far inasmuch as you think of "rich people" like the Hollyweirdoes. How come nobody's complaining about those morons making millions of dollars for one stinking movie? I'm sorry, but entertainment is the least important contributor to the structure of our society, IMHO. I'd like to see those who "serve, support and caretake" get more breaks and better pay--you know, those who are actually making a worthy contribution to the betterment of society.....? |
On that note....how about pro athletes???? Kills me that they make so much just to entertain.
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:05 Post subject:
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Uh yeah......I get it. Most of the physicians that I worked with make over $300,000/year of EARNED INCOME (see, I got it). They worked in a hospital and not for a private practice. |
and they've gone to school many, many years, at least 8 years of post hs and 3 years residency (of course the 3 years residency is not going to earn a doctor $300k you are talking specialities which would mean at least 4 years residency) to get to that income level and I bet you know many that work 40 hours, get weekends off, holidays. What is your point? That physicians shouldn't earn 1% of Brittney Spears? I've already said that we are "working rich". Someone here said that the statement was an oxymoron. I disagree.
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:06 Post subject:
| genie wrote: |
So how is it right to judge all those in the broader category by the few that you worked with? Why is it so inconceivable that others would not be included in that generalization? Many of the larger hospitals are incorporated, at least here on the east coast, but I am betting it's different in the Midwest. Regionally speaking, the coasts always tend to pay better than the rest of the country, no? |
1. Not a few, rather most
2. I am from the Midwest...found similar situation there as well
3. There is always an exception, I was merely pointing out that many phycians make as much as many corporate executives.
4. I was merely stating what I had experienced, not making a judgement
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:07 Post subject:
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On that note....how about pro athletes???? Kills me that they make so much just to entertain. |
Agreed. At least they do work for it, as you know just from running training, which of course at our level is nothing like a pro athlete, it's a lot more work than starving yourself thin for the camera, but.....you're right. Why is it that they are paid so much--not including product endorsements and all the other perks they get when they make it big?
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:08 Post subject:
even if a doctor worked in private practice who cares what he/she makes. They are employers also. They give people jobs and help the economy. They sacrificed a great deal of time and energy to go to medical school. They make our lives and world better.
Heck nurses make less money, do more work but I do not see many of them complaining about docs salaries.
Especially docs in private practice, it is a business. There is risk involved. What better example of the American dream than someone making it as a doc in private practice. Helping people live longer, feel better, and get better. Employ people, who can spend money to buy things to keep this economy chuggin along. I like it.
I for one do not care if a doc makes millions. If he or she makes 160k or 1.6 k, they just better be able to take care of Abby or my family when it comes down to it.
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:11 Post subject:
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and they've gone to school many, many years, at least 8 years of post hs and 3 years residency (of course the 3 years residency is not going to earn a doctor $300k you are talking specialities which would mean at least 4 years residency) to get to that income level and I bet you know many that work 40 hours, get weekends off, holidays. What is your point? That physicians shouldn't earn 1% of Brittney Spears? I've already said that we are "working rich". Someone here said that the statement was an oxymoron. I disagree. |
You seem to have gone a bit off track. I don't argue that physicians shouldn't make what they make. I never said that. I also agree that they have worked very hard to get where they are (i.e. schooling, residency, etc..) I was merely stating that physicians often earn as much or more than corporate execs (who by the way also work hard and often have many years of schooling)
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:26 Post subject:
Sad how a thread about funny things a child says turns into a huge discussion. 
I thought it was cute what the kids all said.
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:30 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | Sad how a thread about funny things a child says turns into a huge discussion.
I thought it was cute what the kids all said. |
 She's a smarty, that Aire is!
I'm just wondering how this thread hasn't been put into the serious forum yet....
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:33 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | She's a smarty, that Aire is!
I'm just wondering how this thread hasn't been put into the serious forum yet.... |
RAS can tell her kids that they made the "On Topic" forum. 
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:33 Post subject:
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You seem to have gone a bit off track. I don't argue that physicians shouldn't make what they make. I never said that. I also agree that they have worked very hard to get where they are (i.e. schooling, residency, etc..) I was merely stating that physicians often earn as much or more than corporate execs (who by the way also work hard and often have many years of schooling) |
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Or have friends in high places or daddies to get them jobs right out of college....which their daddies paid for in full......I'm sure some people way high up in corporate work hard, but I see firsthand a LOT that have had everything handed to them and wouldn't know hardship if it kicked them in the nuts. Some of these frigging Wharton grads couldn't write a coherent memo if their lives depended on it.
We have a lot of charitable stuff going on here, in fact at one point before I took over directorship of our women's network I was chair of Community Outreach....and I noticed every drive, no matter what it was for, that the ones that give the most are almost never the ones that have the most, it's the "common folk" that know what it's like to struggle or at least have to work for their success. I would never compare corporate exec to a doctor in as far as their struggle and workload to get where they are. But that's my experience, yours may be different.
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:34 Post subject:
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You seem to have gone a bit off track. I don't argue that physicians shouldn't make what they make. I never said that. I also agree that they have worked very hard to get where they are (i.e. schooling, residency, etc..) I was merely stating that physicians often earn as much or more than corporate execs (who by the way also work hard and often have many years of schooling) |
I agree with that statement. But note: Docs do not get perks that can triple their actual net worth....except the ones in the profit/owner situation that are starting to crop up. My BIL (corporate bigwig) doesn't pay for any of his expenses that normal people pay for car leases, gas, telephone, computer equipment, exercise equipment, any healtcare expense, personal trainer, skybox seats.....I can go on and on. These are considered benefits of key employees, they are not "earned income". Taxing salaries does not touch the corporate inequities. Hey I can pick on my BIL, he has indoor skybox at Lambeau and has never invited me to a game 
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:36 Post subject:
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I agree with that statement. But note: Docs do not get perks that can triple their actual net worth....except the ones in the profit/owner situation that are starting to crop up. My BIL (corporate bigwig) doesn't pay for any of his expenses that normal people pay for car leases, gas, telephone, computer equipment, exercise equipment, any healtcare expense, personal trainer, skybox seats.....I can go on and on. These are considered benefits of key employees, they are not "earned income". Taxing salaries does not touch the corporate inequities. Hey I can pick on my BIL, he has indoor skybox at Lambeau and has never invited me to a game |
What a punk 
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Posted: 10/19/04 - 13:46 Post subject:
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What a punk |
esp. when he let's me pick up the last family outing tab saying we earn enough now. He's getting too used to freebies
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