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 Posted: 12/05/05 - 15:32 Post subject: is 6 1/2 months enough time...
to get ready for a marathon? (i'd be open to settling for a half)
i have no idea how long training would take (or what kind of training i should do.. aside from running).
anyone have something to point me in the right direction?
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 15:39 Post subject:
Depending on your base, yes.
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 15:41 Post subject:
| MastrBrewr wrote: | | Depending on your base, yes. |
"base"? ...elaborating would be good too 
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 15:42 Post subject:
how long have ya been runnin and stuff?
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 15:45 Post subject:
been running off an on for like 7 years... trained pretty seriously for 4 of them.
in september i ran a 21 minute 5k after only two or three months of consistent running over the summer....
i ran more then 10k only once this summer... i've never ran more then 16k.
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 16:25 Post subject:
Your 'base', for argument's sake, is let's say the past four months. If you haven't been logging at least 200k per month in aug/sept/oct/nov, my recommendation would be to train for the halfM. You just don't have enough base mileage to support cranking toward a marathon. 
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 16:28 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Your 'base', for argument's sake, is let's say the past four months. If you haven't been logging at least 200k per month in aug/sept/oct/nov, my recommendation would be to train for the halfM. You just don't have enough base mileage to support cranking toward a marathon. |
ok. (i definately haven't logged that much)
as it is i should get better in the 5k, tackle the 10k, and go for a 1/2 in june maybe.
at this time next year i don't plan to be at a desk job... i should have much more time for my running to gear up for something like that.
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 16:33 Post subject:
If your 'ultimate' goal is the longer races, then forget about improving at the shorter ones first. Getting your mileage up is going to do wonders for speed in the 5km and 10km. You can sharpen yourself "down" from halfM or marathon training to do some peak 10km and 5km races. The marathon training itself will be the base for the shorter races, so you needed start the whole cycle over. Leave the speed for later in the year. First go for piling mileage and increasing your weeklies. If you work on speed, you'll have fried legs and not be up to bumping mileage at the same time. Work on the base first.
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 16:44 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | If your 'ultimate' goal is the longer races, then forget about improving at the shorter ones first. Getting your mileage up is going to do wonders for speed in the 5km and 10km. You can sharpen yourself "down" from halfM or marathon training to do some peak 10km and 5km races. The marathon training itself will be the base for the shorter races, so you needed start the whole cycle over. Leave the speed for later in the year. First go for piling mileage and increasing your weeklies. If you work on speed, you'll have fried legs and not be up to bumping mileage at the same time. Work on the base first. |
so, uh, could i get this in like a chart?  
i don't remember how we trained before, i know it was on rotation though. i'm not sure what to manage with the winter.
...but i'll still have races in the spring i'd like to run. should i expect not to have my really good races until september? or will i be tapped out from a half in june?
(and thanks for the pointers btw.)
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 16:48 Post subject:
I think you could do it. You wouldn't be stellar, but you could do it without injury and have fun. You could look at this activity as a base builder, then consider "racing" marathons later on.
Try this link: http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,5033,s6-51-55-0-6946,00.html
I've used their training plans in the past with success.
But now you've got me thinking about doing one next year....
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 16:51 Post subject:
When I schedule out a schedule, for myself, and others I use a 3/1/2/1/2/1 rotation. Using those ratios, go ahead and figure six weekly runs. So if you start with a 25-mi week, that'd be 7.5/2.5/5/2.5/5/2.5, with one day off.
Every week or two, bump it up 10% and carry on. You'll definitely want that long run to get to at least 12 for the halfM, so that's be 40-mi weeks. Ideally, if you could get that long run to 15 and have 50-mi weeks for the month prior to your halfM, you'd be pumped. Take one taper week before the halfM and cut everything in half.
Then after your halfM next summer, take a couple weeks of recovery mileage. Maybe drop down to 40 or 35-mi weeks and use a couple days of the week for tempos or intervals. Do that for 3-4 weeks and hit the late summer autumn 5kms and 10kms for some peak races. Or after the half, keep building the mileage, forget the tempo/interval stuff and go for a fall marathon.
This is a good time to be planning  2006 will be here sOoN!
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 17:22 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | When I schedule out a schedule, for myself, and others I use a 3/1/2/1/2/1 rotation. Using those ratios, go ahead and figure six weekly runs. So if you start with a 25-mi week, that'd be 7.5/2.5/5/2.5/5/2.5, with one day off.
Every week or two, bump it up 10% and carry on. You'll definitely want that long run to get to at least 12 for the halfM, so that's be 40-mi weeks. Ideally, if you could get that long run to 15 and have 50-mi weeks for the month prior to your halfM, you'd be pumped. Take one taper week before the halfM and cut everything in half.
Then after your halfM next summer, take a couple weeks of recovery mileage. Maybe drop down to 40 or 35-mi weeks and use a couple days of the week for tempos or intervals. Do that for 3-4 weeks and hit the late summer autumn 5kms and 10kms for some peak races. Or after the half, keep building the mileage, forget the tempo/interval stuff and go for a fall marathon.
This is a good time to be planning 2006 will be here sOoN! |
hey - we can't fail if we don't have goals right? ....
lol after june i don't know of any other marathons near me... if future events go as planned, i may be able to travel... maybe...
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Posted: 12/05/05 - 17:30 Post subject:
| blue wrote: | | lol after june i don't know of any other marathons near me... if future events go as planned, i may be able to travel... maybe... |
6-hr drive for this one...
http://www.prideofcanadamarathon.com/
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Posted: 12/06/05 - 02:12 Post subject:
Like what the others have said and from what I've seen from your training weeks at this point, you probably don't have a proper base for the marathon.
However I prefer a more conservative approach...I say gradually work your way up the race distances...give yourself a year or so to work on the shorter distances (a 10k this spring and perhaps building to 1/2 marathon distance by next fall) and continue with building a solid base, ...then shoot for a spring or fall marathon in 2007. Trust me...you will not regret waiting...
I didn't.
As for nearby marathons after June, most are in the fall...
There's a scenic one on Vancouver Island in June: http://edgetoedgemarathon.com/
Calgary (July), Quebec City (Aug), Toronto Waterfront (Sept), Royal Victoria (ran my first one here...very scenic but undulating), Okanagan International, Ottawa, Toronto, and Niagara Falls (Oct)
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