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 Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:15 Post subject:
talk is cheap.
walk the walk, and by doing so i mean lead the purpose-driven life that God intended each of us to. there is no other way into heaven. there are no easy roads. the road to heaven is hellish!! it's one way or no way.
i don't buy the oops sorry at the last minute stuff either. becoming a Christian is a lifelong journey. it's all before us if we choose to accept it and study it and follow it then it's all good. once you make that committment, it's virtually impossible to go backwards. i have no idea what God thinks of mortals who cop the sorry dude plea at the last minute---i think he should whup 'em upside the head -- much like i would my own kids if they ever embarassed me that way.
purpose driven life isn't a drive thru proposition; it doesn't come with fries. it is hella-work. maybe. 
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:17 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: |
yes.
re·pent (ri-pent?) verb
re·pent·ed, re·pent·ing, re·pents
verb, intransitive
1.To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.
2.To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.
3.To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
verb, transitive
1. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one's sins.
2. To cause to feel remorse or regret. |
But is accepting Christ at the last minute out of fear really the same as living a life that is an example of what he taught? And what about those that profess they have accepted Christ as their Savior and say all the right things, but in reality are unforgiving, judgmental people? Do they get in because the talked the talk or do they also have to walk the walk? |
I can't imagine that would be the standard. If it is, I want no part of a religion or an afterlife that condones and encourages such. (God, this is whay I hate organized religion). And how can one even attempt to market a god that allows say, I don't know, some judgemental, hypocritical ass in because they went to church every Sunday, asked for forgiveness, and then went out and committed the same "sins" but turns away a mass of innocent people who tried to live decent lives but perhaps due to geography or some other reason never heard of this particular theology. I can't imagine anyone wanting a part of that!!
(SOrry, I wasn't gonna go off but that's what 10 years in parochial schools will do to you).
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:17 Post subject:
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I suppose I'm saying that my God is a very big God with enough compassion and love for all of his creation, even what we agree would be the absolute worst of sinners. I am grateful for this because I don't know how bad I could be, but I'm sure that I am never as good as I can be. |
Hmmm...now I might could live with that part of it.....but Go makes a good point. If we all, theoretically, have differing religions, with different doctrines, rules, and qualifications for what is "sin" then how is it fair that I get to wear skirts to work and some other women from other cultures would maybe be sent to hell for doing that?? I don't know how you'd judge across the board when there is really no across the board, unless you go by Kristin's basic principle.
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keltic63
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:22 Post subject:
| genie wrote: |
Good point!! It sounds like, from what Keltic says, (and correct me if I'm wrong, Steve) that it's all about the talk. Which I find hypocritical, to say the least. I do believe that no one is perfect, but that "I'm not perfect, just forgiven" stuff just seems to be license to do whatever you want and not have any consequences. |
that's the least that it can be about and probably the worst way to judge. Many fundamentalist christians also think that this idea of grace is a bad idea and gives people a license to do whatever they want. But the other option is "working" your way into heaven, and no one is ever good enough to do that.
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:27 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | genie wrote: |
Good point!! It sounds like, from what Keltic says, (and correct me if I'm wrong, Steve) that it's all about the talk. Which I find hypocritical, to say the least. I do believe that no one is perfect, but that "I'm not perfect, just forgiven" stuff just seems to be license to do whatever you want and not have any consequences. |
that's the least that it can be about and probably the worst way to judge. Many fundamentalist christians also think that this idea of grace is a bad idea and gives people a license to do whatever they want. But the other option is "working" your way into heaven, and no one is ever good enough to do that. |
Yes, but I could buy the working your way into heaven bit inasmuch as, if I tried my best to do the right thing, but obviously nobody's that good, like you said.....but for the most part I did what RR said and lived a purpose driven life, then why shouldn't that be good enough, as opposed to someone who didn't even try and just feels entitled to get in because their dogma says they can?
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:29 Post subject:
I don't like polkadots. I would never wear them.
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:31 Post subject:
You know what??? This is pointless. We're all just gonna end up in purgatory having one big old party... 
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:33 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: | You know what??? This is pointless. We're all just gonna end up in purgatory having one big old party...
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I agree. Would you wear polkadots, K?
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:34 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: | You know what??? This is pointless. We're all just gonna end up in purgatory having one big old party...
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That's pretty much my take. We'll all be there together so who cares how hot it is???
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:34 Post subject:
| rolling rock wrote: | talk is cheap.
walk the walk, and by doing so i mean lead the purpose-driven life that God intended each of us to. there is no other way into heaven. there are no easy roads. the road to heaven is hellish!! it's one way or no way.
i don't buy the oops sorry at the last minute stuff either. becoming a Christian is a lifelong journey. it's all before us if we choose to accept it and study it and follow it then it's all good. once you make that committment, it's virtually impossible to go backwards. i have no idea what God thinks of mortals who cop the sorry dude plea at the last minute---i think he should whup 'em upside the head -- much like i would my own kids if they ever embarassed me that way.
purpose driven life isn't a drive thru proposition; it doesn't come with fries. it is hella-work. maybe. |
 couldn't have said it better
I think talk is very cheap. Just because you show up to church every Sunday, are an elder in the, sing the loudest in the choir and teach sunday school doesn't mean you aren't abusive and adulterous (example: see my sister's ex husband). I believe God sees beyond these false pretenses and goes on where your heart is. I posted the definition of repent because I believe if you are truly repentant of what you've done, that you fully regret it you live so that you won't do it again or will try your hardest not to (we are still sinful beings), and I do this especially because of the grace God has given so that we might get to heaven, despite sinful tendencies.
K31, the geography thing still bothers me....I can't speak to that...Keltic?
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:38 Post subject:
| Laurie Ellen wrote: | | I don't like polkadots. I would never wear them. |
I see them a lot.
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:51 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | K31, the geography thing still bothers me....I can't speak to that...Keltic? |
I think geography has little to do with it. a good person, is a good person in any culture. (and I know you'll come up with some tribe that is cannibalistic, etc.) People live there lives according to the knowledge that they have. If a culture says that women must wear skirts and veils or they will surely die in hellfires, does it make it so? what matters is on the inside, and who can truly know the hearts and minds of others?
many of the rules and regulations about sin are man-made. a lot of the judeo-christian rules appear to have been made for the sole purpose of subjugating women. but just because humans make a rule doesn't mean God has to follow it.
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:53 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | rolling rock wrote: | talk is cheap.
walk the walk, and by doing so i mean lead the purpose-driven life that God intended each of us to. there is no other way into heaven. there are no easy roads. the road to heaven is hellish!! it's one way or no way.
i don't buy the oops sorry at the last minute stuff either. becoming a Christian is a lifelong journey. it's all before us if we choose to accept it and study it and follow it then it's all good. once you make that committment, it's virtually impossible to go backwards. i have no idea what God thinks of mortals who cop the sorry dude plea at the last minute---i think he should whup 'em upside the head -- much like i would my own kids if they ever embarassed me that way.
purpose driven life isn't a drive thru proposition; it doesn't come with fries. it is hella-work. maybe. |
couldn't have said it better
I think talk is very cheap. Just because you show up to church every Sunday, are an elder in the, sing the loudest in the choir and teach sunday school doesn't mean you aren't abusive and adulterous (example: see my sister's ex husband). I believe God sees beyond these false pretenses and goes on where your heart is. I posted the definition of repent because I believe if you are truly repentant of what you've done, that you fully regret it you live so that you won't do it again or will try your hardest not to (we are still sinful beings), and I do this especially because of the grace God has given so that we might get to heaven, despite sinful tendencies.
K31, the geography thing still bothers me....I can't speak to that...Keltic? |
that's the way I see it......which brings me back to yes, I believe in
God and Heaven.....but I think organized religions just make up their own rules. Many Christians would say I'm terrible by not attending mass and honoring God. Can't I honor God as a religion of one?
I never could understand why I had to go to confessional as a child.....God knows...why do I have to tell a priest?
Purgatory: I believe we are in it.
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 15:58 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: |
I suppose I'm saying that my God is a very big God with enough compassion and love for all of his creation, even what we agree would be the absolute worst of sinners. I am grateful for this because I don't know how bad I could be, but I'm sure that I am never as good as I can be. |
And does you God allow have compassion for non-Christians?
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Posted: 05/19/03 - 16:11 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: |
I suppose I'm saying that my God is a very big God with enough compassion and love for all of his creation, even what we agree would be the absolute worst of sinners. I am grateful for this because I don't know how bad I could be, but I'm sure that I am never as good as I can be. |
And does you God allow have compassion for non-Christians? |
especially for non-Christians.
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