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robp
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:02 Post subject:
| karlene wrote: | I think anyone who finished a marathon has bragging rights...
I have now done something that most if not all of my friends have never done. I am very proud of that. Even if it did take me more than six hours (knee injury, not that it matters) |
I respectfully disagree with you on the bragging rights. I managed to cross the line in my one and so far only marathon and I was even under the avg. male time. You won't hear me bragging about it though because I know I dropped the ball in a couple aspects of my preparation and turned it into a painfest and a performance that was well below my expectations. For the life of me I cannot understand entering a race "just to finish". I know the effort that is required to run the distance - it's an accomplishment but it's certainly not something to go around thumping your chest about. You can bet I won't drop the ball on my next attempt at the distance.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:08 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | JACKED UP wrote: | Look at him!!?? I bet he has pencil arms. He shouldn't even try to lift weights cuz he'll never bench as much as me. See how he likes it.  |
Ah... here we go. Here's a good tangent. How many people here lift? Would you ever enter a weight lifting competition? I'm betting most people would say no, myself included. I know I have pencil arms. I know I'm not strong or an especially good weight lifter. So if I enjoy it, I'll do it as a personal activity instead of signing up for an event where I can have people clap when I bench 80 pounds. |
I'd enter a contest that incorporated both running and liftng because I can easily outbench most of the guys I see at running races and I know I can outrun the majority of the weightlifters.....
That aside, I don't enter races so I can have people clap for me. I enter a race so I can run as hard as my body will let me and try to beat as many of the other runners as I can. It's called competition, it's what racing and other sports are all about. It's not about making everyone feel good and proud of their accomplishment - it's about kicking the other guys ass.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:09 Post subject:
i think the guy's a DH, but to his point, i'll never enter nor run a marathon cuz i'd feel more disappointment than accomplishment with the outcome, i am sure. if i run a marathon, then i want to run the thing, not run walk, not wear a big giant weiner on my head and skip, not skate it, not run it backwards and topless, not tatooed or high heeled, heck i don't even want to gallowalk the beeyotch. i want to run it. and i can't. so i won't. still doesn't make that guy any less of a dh. he reeks of dhedness, i hate elitist snobs in any walk of life. i think he needs to be stuck behind the big giant parade of weiners in a boston marathon and made to stroll it wearing pink tights and getting a non-finish time cuz the course has closed, but he couldn't pass cuz there wasn't room to get around the weiner parade. that would be justice rendered in 6.5 hours.
and no, if i can't run it, then it's not getting done. but that has nothing to do with the fear i'd degrade the sport. i'll degrade the sport all i want in every 5K i RUN, i couldn't care less if i'm degrading the sport. he's a whiney bastage. we can't all run on water.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:26 Post subject:
| robp wrote: |
That aside, I don't enter races so I can have people clap for me. I enter a race so I can run as hard as my body will let me and try to beat as many of the other runners as I can. It's called competition, it's what racing and other sports are all about. It's not about making everyone feel good and proud of their accomplishment - it's about kicking the other guys ass. |
Except for the ass kicking part, I would agree with you. When I enter a race I enter to see what I can do on that day...to do the best that I possibly can on that day, under those conditions. If my training is not up to snuff I am probably smart enough to know and realize that and take that into consideration, but given the conditions (including my own), what can I do that day?
I'll try to push and pass people, but in general I am not racing them until near the end of a race...I am racing myself. I could try to race everybody on the course, but if I know that I last ran a 23:-- 5k and that I think I can hit 22:30, I'm not going to race at a 6 minute pace. That would be stupid. But I'll work as hard as I can to get that 22:30 and not quit and run myself into submission while being smart about it.
My only marathon finish was 4:57:03. I don't brag because it is a marathon finish, but I'm damn proud of it. I could have done things differently in training and should have. I could have done things differently in the marathon, I think. But I busted my ass and went through pain to finish that marathon and while I may not have been at the best possible level of preparedness how often will you be exactly where you should be? Should I train myself to reach sub 4:00 or should I only run a marathon when I can be at 3:30 or closer to a Boston Qualifying time? What's the measuring stick?
My measuring stick: You put in the best work you can, and on the day of the race you do the best you can. If that's 6:01, then you have every right to be proud because you did the best you could on that day.
/End Rant.
Rob, that's not really directed at you, I just used you as a jumping off point.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:29 Post subject:
| JACKED UP wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | JACKED UP wrote: | Look at him!!?? I bet he has pencil arms. He shouldn't even try to lift weights cuz he'll never bench as much as me. See how he likes it.  |
Ah... here we go. Here's a good tangent. How many people here lift? Would you ever enter a weight lifting competition? I'm betting most people would say no, myself included. I know I have pencil arms. I know I'm not strong or an especially good weight lifter. So if I enjoy it, I'll do it as a personal activity instead of signing up for an event where I can have people clap when I bench 80 pounds. |
And my point is that although not at my level, I encourage all to enter my gym and lift weights. And I wouldn't be pist and look down at them if they were in my way or slowing me down on any given day in the weight room. I'd encourage them. Good for them.  |
Don't get me wrong, I encourage everyone to run. I have no problem with slow people out for a jog - it's good to see them out there. I wish everyone would run regularly, truly I do. BUT, I don't want them heralding their amazing accomplishments in the marathon. Just like I would lift weights at home or at the gym, but I'm not going to enter my mediocre abilities in a weight lifting competition and then brag about my feats of athleticism.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:33 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: |
Don't get me wrong, I encourage everyone to run. I have no problem with slow people out for a jog - it's good to see them out there. I wish everyone would run regularly, truly I do. BUT, I don't want them heralding their amazing accomplishments in the marathon. Just like I would lift weights at home or at the gym, but I'm not going to enter my mediocre abilities in a weight lifting competition and then brag about my feats of athleticism. |
No, but they should still be proud of their accomplishment. It may not be "amazing", but it is an accomplishment. They (I) shouldn't go around bragging about the time or go telling everyone they "finished", but I find most braggarts obnoxious. There is a difference between being proud and bragging, though.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:37 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: | | robp wrote: |
That aside, I don't enter races so I can have people clap for me. I enter a race so I can run as hard as my body will let me and try to beat as many of the other runners as I can. It's called competition, it's what racing and other sports are all about. It's not about making everyone feel good and proud of their accomplishment - it's about kicking the other guys ass. |
Except for the ass kicking part, I would agree with you. When I enter a race I enter to see what I can do on that day...to do the best that I possibly can on that day, under those conditions. If my training is not up to snuff I am probably smart enough to know and realize that and take that into consideration, but given the conditions (including my own), what can I do that day?
I'll try to push and pass people, but in general I am not racing them until near the end of a race...I am racing myself. I could try to race everybody on the course, but if I know that I last ran a 23:-- 5k and that I think I can hit 22:30, I'm not going to race at a 6 minute pace. That would be stupid. But I'll work as hard as I can to get that 22:30 and not quit and run myself into submission while being smart about it.
My only marathon finish was 4:57:03. I don't brag because it is a marathon finish, but I'm damn proud of it. I could have done things differently in training and should have. I could have done things differently in the marathon, I think. But I busted my ass and went through pain to finish that marathon and while I may not have been at the best possible level of preparedness how often will you be exactly where you should be? Should I train myself to reach sub 4:00 or should I only run a marathon when I can be at 3:30 or closer to a Boston Qualifying time? What's the measuring stick?
My measuring stick: You put in the best work you can, and on the day of the race you do the best you can. If that's 6:01, then you have every right to be proud because you did the best you could on that day.
/End Rant.
Rob, that's not really directed at you, I just used you as a jumping off point. |
We're basically on the same page Pug. Don't get me wrong, I'm still proud of the marathon finish because despite some ungodly cramping and muscle spasms I did finish the beyotch. But I didn't enter it just to finish, I entered with a goal and missed it by 29 minutes and some odd seconds.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 20:43 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | karlene wrote: | I think anyone who finished a marathon has bragging rights...
I have now done something that most if not all of my friends have never done. I am very proud of that. Even if it did take me more than six hours (knee injury, not that it matters) |
I respectfully disagree with you on the bragging rights. I managed to cross the line in my one and so far only marathon and I was even under the avg. male time. You won't hear me bragging about it though because I know I dropped the ball in a couple aspects of my preparation and turned it into a painfest and a performance that was well below my expectations. For the life of me I cannot understand entering a race "just to finish". I know the effort that is required to run the distance - it's an accomplishment but it's certainly not something to go around thumping your chest about. You can bet I won't drop the ball on my next attempt at the distance. |
Yes, but it all depends on why you decided to take part in the marathon as well. Right? I took part in a maratho to not only try something new, but to get in better shape, and to raise money for the Arthritis Society. It wasn't to win a Marathon or to Race in a marathon for that matter. I participated in a marathon for my own reasons. Not to race against 30,000 other people.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 21:06 Post subject:
I ran my marathon nearly five years ago. I trained and focused on it for nearly a full year. I dedicated a lot of time, and energy to it.
As I found a little over a year later, it could have killed me, so I am glad that I had the opportunity to run one when I did. It wasn't a race against others, it was a race against myself, I won.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 21:16 Post subject:
And how do you improve if you don't enter the race and compete against others and yourself? Training ain't the same sometimes.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 21:44 Post subject:
I ran mine to prove to myself that I could do things that others told me I could not do (I tore my hamstring in college and was told I would never run again)... it was a confidence booster for sure and made me fall in love with running.
My time in my first was 5:52 and some change. I trained like a MO Fo and lost my job with 8 weeks to go, then got a sinus infection and blew my knee out at mile 9. I finished and I am proud of that. I overcame a lot to cross that line. MY time sucked... horribly and I am not proud of the time, but that I finished despite all that had happened.
My second one, I played it safe, but when my hubby messed up his ankle, I stayed with him to help him finish... 5:15 and some change...
I've not broken 5 hours, but I feel that what I did says a lot about my character and my willingness to tough it out.
I dare anyone to ever tell me that I'm not an athlete or that I'm not a real runner or that I didn't run those races. Believe me, they;ll wish they didn't.
ok. end rant.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 23:50 Post subject:
This author is really obnoxious and I don't care for his opinion at all.
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Posted: 09/27/06 - 00:40 Post subject:
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While I am super competitive, I find this author to be an assclown. Each person runs for their own reasons. Period. And yes, I have found dissappointment in each of my marathons, but I'm still glad I ran them.
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Posted: 09/27/06 - 06:01 Post subject:
| Noley wrote: | | This author is really obnoxious and I don't care for his opinion at all. |
Maybe he just wrote the article to get more traffic to Slate. This topic has been pretty hot on a number of message boards.
More traffic = more money for Slate.
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Posted: 09/27/06 - 06:48 Post subject:
I think we are getting way too upset over this article, it's obviously written very tongue in cheek. But it also raises some genuine concerns about undertrained runners who injure themselves or damage their health by trying to run a marathon when they are not ready.
Most non-runners wouldn't know the difference between a 3:15 finish time and a 5:00 finish time anyway. So the only people that would be impressed with your time (or even bother enquiring about it) would be fellow runners. 99% of people would be just impressed to hear that you completed a marathon, they would not care about the time. So if Oprah finished a marathon in under 3hrs it would be meaningless to most people, just the fact she completed it would be impressive enough.
Therefore the public would rather hear about Oprah finishing a marathon than Runaroundsue who ran a 2:56.
Think about why you want to run a marathon. Is it for fitness, personal ambitions, public acknowledgment, one-upmanship or a combination of these. If it's mainly for fitness and personal achievement, then that's great. If it's for public acknowledgement and one-upmanship, that's okay too, there's nothing wrong with ambition. Just remember though that only a tiny percentage of the population cares if you run a sub 3.00 or a sub 6:00. Most people wouldn't care or they might even question your sanity if you told them you ran a marathon. In fact other's might even think you were a wanker if you went around bragging about it.
The idea that the marathon is somehow cheapened and diluted by allowing the standards to drop. This has already happened, look at the way the word Marathon is used to describe things like marathon meeting, marathon discussion, marathon drinking session, etc.. The word has become synonymous with anything that takes a long time to do. There is no recognition of the distance anymore, it is purely how long it takes. So in this respect someone who takes longer to complete a marathon maybe deserves more recognition than someone who completes it in less time.
e.g. Wow you ran for 4 and 1/2 hours, thats fantastic. As opposed to : What you only ran for 3 and 1/2 hours that's nothing compared to this other bloke. This is conveniently ignoring all the hard work and years of training that the 3 and 1/2 hour guy put in to get to that level.
And maybe 4 and 1/2 hour bloke does deserve the recognition because of the fact that he is burning the much harder to convert fats for most of the race. Whereas 3 and 1/2 hour bloke is burning the easier to convert Glycogen for 90% of his race, he only has to endure the last 10% of the race in fat burning mode.
But this is the way the Marathon is seen by most people, it is an endurance event, and the most important part of endurance events is the actual completion, and secondly the time.
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