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MechEngDropout
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 Posted: 09/26/06 - 16:29 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | I do understand where the dude is coming from, but using that same realm of thought, there is only one winner and everyone else is just wasting their time. |
If there's only one person running there is no winner. |
I guess if the rest of the people are ok with losing... no harm no foul. Just don't try to pass yourself off as faster than you actually are...
I just think it's great that so many people are trying to run. Jogging, running.... who cares. They're trying to be better than what they are and that's a good thing. |
Absolutely. But they shouldn't flaunt it as a huge accomplishment. A 6 hour marathon is equivalent a kid drawing with crayons. Sure, it's productive and beneficial, but it's no Rembrandt. |
Depending on life circumstances, a 5 hour marathon may be a huge accomplishment to many people. |
Of course there are exceptions. You could run with a parachute, for example. Or you could have one lung. Whatever. We're talking about normal circumstances and a reasonably healthy human.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 16:34 Post subject:
So, too many people have taken up his "purist" sport. Boo freakin' hoo.
Get over it. 
If you don't like all the hoopla surrounding big races, then don't do them. Or, better yet, start training for ultras. Ultrarunners are still a pretty small, tightly-knit group (as Kimba can attest).
I suggest the author take up off-road unicycling.
It's virtually guaranteed to stay far enough out of the mainstream to make him happy.
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j1miller
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 16:38 Post subject:
or someone who has lot a lot of weight or is overcoming some sort of injury....
normal people are not all elite athletes or even close.
I guess dragging a parachute would be in that costume category, and stupid at that.... or maybe that's just another way of putting down someone not as fast as you (not you specifically). I pretty much guarantee that all runners who have a problem with the slower runners do not consider themselves in the group they have a problem with. I don't know. I think it's one thing to criticize a group when we ourselves are part of that group and entirely another issue to criticize a group when we consider outselves not in it or better than that group in some way.
I just don't think it degrades the sport or the integrity of the run to have anyone slow run it.
Does anyone really care what the median time of all runners in a race is? I highly doubt it. If someone does, then perhaps they should just pick out the top 127 in any given year and find the average time and compare it to the average of the 127 runners who completed the race in 1970..... that would be a more accurate comparison anyway. To compare 127 runners to 40,000 goes against statistical logic. Of course the times will be slower, there is a much wider range to choose from. That's normal when the sampling base increases.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this: If a person is proud of what they have done, then brag on.
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MechEngDropout
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 16:41 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | I guess what I'm trying to say is this: If a person is proud of what they have done, then brag on. |
Don't you think we have enough of rob's turd reports around here?
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j1miller
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 16:41 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | I guess what I'm trying to say is this: If a person is proud of what they have done, then brag on. |
Don't you think we have enough of rob's turd reports around here? |
I dunno.... they are impressive 
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 16:55 Post subject:
I think anyone who finished a marathon has bragging rights...
I have now done something that most if not all of my friends have never done. I am very proud of that. Even if it did take me more than six hours (knee injury, not that it matters)
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 17:22 Post subject:
| karlene wrote: | I think anyone who finished a marathon has bragging rights...
I have now done something that most if not all of my friends have never done. I am very proud of that. Even if it did take me more than six hours (knee injury, not that it matters) |
I agree. And good for you.  You've done something I couldn't do yet. I couldn't go run a marathon tomorrow. I'm going to do one, hopefully soon, and I have a time goal in mind, but it's strictly for me. Running for me is about what I can prove to myself, not anyone else. Unless you are ever going to be a professional runner, who the heck cares.
It's like the old joke, what do you call the guy who finished last in his class in medical school? A doctor. Well, the slowest guy in the marathon still did it. And that's more than I can say at this point and I consider myself a "runner".
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 17:36 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | I do understand where the dude is coming from, but using that same realm of thought, there is only one winner and everyone else is just wasting their time. |
If there's only one person running there is no winner. |
I guess if the rest of the people are ok with losing... no harm no foul. Just don't try to pass yourself off as faster than you actually are...
I just think it's great that so many people are trying to run. Jogging, running.... who cares. They're trying to be better than what they are and that's a good thing. |
Absolutely. But they shouldn't flaunt it as a huge accomplishment. A 6 hour marathon is equivalent a kid drawing with crayons. Sure, it's productive and beneficial, but it's no Rembrandt. |
POTD! 
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 17:41 Post subject:
We might all want to look at the writer of the piece:
A definite "babe magnet" elite runner
Then look at this actual times:
Bay State Marathon '00 - 3:13:25
Top of Utah '01 - 3:03:20
Boston '02 - 3:01:21
Boston '03 - 2:56:53
NYC '03 - 2:56:27
I've been following this article and the commetary. I am amazed how many comments have been made in just a couple of hours.
Just found a quote by Gabe Sherman. I'll let the readers decide.
We asked a bunch of media folks why they're thankful on this Thanksgiving, and many of them told us. Here, the media reporters. We start with the Observer boys, and, first, Gabe Sherman:
There is so much to be thankful for this year! As I sit down for a heaping plate of Tofurky, I'll say thanks for the past 12 months that brought us Thursday Styles, Men's Vogue and Judy Miller! But the joy of the media wouldn't tell the whole story if I didn't take a moment to be thankful for friends, family and co-workers. L'chaim!
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 17:54 Post subject:
 Look at him!!?? I bet he has pencil arms.  He shouldn't even try to lift weights cuz he'll never bench as much as me. See how he likes it. 
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 17:59 Post subject:
if you're goal is to complete a marathon - and you do, good for you. you accomplished something. if it took you 6 hours, then great.
i wouldn't call that "running" a marathon. i'd call that completing one. and i do consider that a difference.
i can play a game of hockey, but i'm no hockey player.
don't worry about all the people out there to partake - most of these events are charity events and the money goes to good caues.
if you are a real runner, you will be smart enough to get near the start of the line, you will be able to navigate through the first ackward miles, and you'll be ready to rock the house in whatever fast time you're aiming at.
my 1h55 half was a big deal for me. coming in with the massive crowd i was with, i realized it wasn't nearly as impressive as i would've liked, and fancied myself more of a runner then most of the people around me.
so next year i'll put in my time and train properly, and go for a much faster time. i was pleased with what i did this year, but next year i have to run it, and not just try to survive.
that said - anyone that 'survives' an ultramarathon, is considered a winner to me.
ps. might i ask - if you finish last at the olympics, do you still consider yourself one of the elite? sort've a similar train of thought... just because your not the best of the best, doesn't mean your not impressive and you're not a winner.
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MechEngDropout
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 18:32 Post subject:
| JACKED UP wrote: | | Look at him!!?? I bet he has pencil arms. He shouldn't even try to lift weights cuz he'll never bench as much as me. See how he likes it. |
Ah... here we go. Here's a good tangent. How many people here lift? Would you ever enter a weight lifting competition? I'm betting most people would say no, myself included. I know I have pencil arms. I know I'm not strong or an especially good weight lifter. So if I enjoy it, I'll do it as a personal activity instead of signing up for an event where I can have people clap when I bench 80 pounds.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 18:42 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | I know I'm not strong or an especially good weight lifter. So if I enjoy it, I'll do it as a personal activity instead of signing up for an event where I can have people clap when I bench 80 pounds. |
As long as there is a weight lifting competition that you meet the regulations for and they accept your application, more power to you.
Most of the runners I know, if not all, do run for the clapping. A couple border on elite status and actually race. The rest of us run for health, some faster than others, some slower than others. As long as we finish the race within the stated timelines, it's a great event when we cross the finish line.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 18:58 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | JACKED UP wrote: | | Look at him!!?? I bet he has pencil arms. He shouldn't even try to lift weights cuz he'll never bench as much as me. See how he likes it. |
Ah... here we go. Here's a good tangent. How many people here lift? Would you ever enter a weight lifting competition? I'm betting most people would say no, myself included. I know I have pencil arms. I know I'm not strong or an especially good weight lifter. So if I enjoy it, I'll do it as a personal activity instead of signing up for an event where I can have people clap when I bench 80 pounds. |
And my point is that although not at my level, I encourage all to enter my gym and lift weights. And I wouldn't be pist and look down at them if they were in my way or slowing me down on any given day in the weight room. I'd encourage them. Good for them.
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Posted: 09/26/06 - 19:48 Post subject:
Just to add to JU's commant: I've have run across maybe two or three elite runners who played the "elitist" (You're not worthy) card.
As for weights: wish I could get back to them regularly.
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