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 Posted: 10/14/03 - 12:54 Post subject: "in real life you'll use a calculator...
but you don't get a formula sheet for the exam."
so what you're telling me is that in real life i'll have my calculator but i won't have a formula sheet?
makes sense to me 
and this is why i don't go to math class...
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 12:57 Post subject:
School and the real world, do not match.
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 12:58 Post subject: Re: "in real life you'll use a calculator...
| blue wrote: | | so what you're telling me is that in real life i'll have my calculator but i won't have a formula sheet? |
 and if you do get one, it will be the wrong one.
I keep telling ya, college is more "real world" than you think
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:01 Post subject:
The fact that a professor will make the distinction between college and the real world is the key. Most professors don't know what the real world is all about because they've never been there.
I've had to memorize a lot of crap in my day, because the professor said I would be required to know this. What a load of doo doo. As if I memorize the specs of the equipment I use. That's what tie-wraps and instruction booklets are for, no?
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:10 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | School and the real world, do not match. |
I agree with you for the most part. All the stuff I read in textbooks didn't help me at all (theories, psychology). However...
Student Teaching Semester= 
That was much closer to what I needed to know in the real world with my real job.
 to Universities that put you into practical situations where you can apply your knowledge, not just read about it.
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:14 Post subject:
In a lot of my undergraduate work, the classes were taught by adjunct professors. They actually worked in the fields they taught which was a lot different than having a tenured professor teach verbatim from a text book. I defintely learned more from the real world people than the actual professors.
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:21 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | The fact that a professor will make the distinction between college and the real world is the key. Most professors don't know what the real world is all about because they've never been there.
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i think "professor" is a little generous. she's basically just the lady that puts up the overheads and reads us the answer key...
my argument is what good is a question if i know how to do it but enter it wrong on my calculator? how do you measure what i actually learnt?
i have 25 m/c's for my exam. each is worth 2% of my final mark. if i fudge up my caculator i don't get marks for knowing how to do it.
my university prof acknowleged the fact that kids don't learn from overheads and should be walked through the problem not just shown it. oh and no calculator or formula sheet either. actually testing your *knowledge* not your ability to push buttons.
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:24 Post subject:
In the real world, you can use a calculator and if you need help with formulas you can look them up or ask.
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:30 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | In the real world, you can use a calculator and if you need help with formulas you can look them up or ask. |
in the real world you can take credit for somebody else's work.
for some reason you get expelled for that in university.
(note that at my college you can get caught not once, not twice, but thrice times.... maybe the other lesson is "how not to get caught cheating?")
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:51 Post subject:
School is meant to provide you with the lifelong skills you need for the real world...most of everything else you are taught to memorize or learn in school is largely irrelevant..
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 13:56 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | Most professors don't know what the real world is all about because they've never been there. |
And now Boy's and Girls, you know why we have so many MBA's who have no clue what they are doing, and are screwing up American Industry.
Am I bitter....go figure 
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 18:05 Post subject:
I remember applying for a youth leader job from some Christian organization. The conversation went something like this:
them: Do you have a degree?
me: No, I only lack three semesters. But I have spent the interim time raising a son, teaching at church and the local grade school preparing lesson plans and doing many other things related to youth groups.
them: But you have no degree.
me: No.
them: So, we can't hire you because you have no degree.
me: let me get this straight. I have experience in child rearing, I am thirty years old. I have worked at the church in various capacities for 12 years--all dealing with children and/or youth groups but you would rather hire a 21 y/o with no experience, just as long as she has that piece of paper?
them: correct.
me: Does it matter what the degree is in?
them: nope.
me:  
Ah well. Such is life!
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 18:11 Post subject:
Pretty crazy, huh Angie?
I swear, we have some folks here who must've gotten their Ph.D.'s in Work Avoidance and Incompetence, or from the back of a magazine, but hey, they've got that piece of paper. Doesn't matter that they have no clue how to perfom the most basic lab techniques.
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Posted: 10/14/03 - 19:54 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | Pretty crazy, huh Angie?
I swear, we have some folks here who must've gotten their Ph.D.'s in Work Avoidance and Incompetence, or from the back of a magazine, but hey, they've got that piece of paper. Doesn't matter that they have no clue how to perfom the most basic lab techniques. |
It's a bummer in the military, too. You see so many officers who wouldn't last five minutes in the outside world. Their skill is knowing how to play the system. Because it sure isn't work skills......
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