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wanttorun100
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 Posted: 04/12/06 - 16:00 Post subject: "Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.
So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.
Rich Mac
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j1miller
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Posted: 04/12/06 - 16:08 Post subject:
 Sometimes I feel this way.
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phillycat
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 08:23 Post subject:
I never feel this way. Ever. 
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j1miller
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 08:44 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | I never feel this way. Ever. |
see, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I told you. My feelings on the subject are complicated. Which is why Pretty much stay out of the posts. I don't know how to communicate those feelings.
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.jrjo
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 09:57 Post subject:
I never felt this way until I read this.
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phillycat
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 10:52 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | phillycat wrote: | | I never feel this way. Ever. |
see, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I told you. My feelings on the subject are complicated. Which is why Pretty much stay out of the posts. I don't know how to communicate those feelings. |
I agree with you in that my feelings are also very complicated on this point. I wish we could discuss this issue so that I could learn more with the hopes that maybe things would become more clear.... 
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.jrjo
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 11:06 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | phillycat wrote: | | I never feel this way. Ever. |
see, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I told you. My feelings on the subject are complicated. Which is why Pretty much stay out of the posts. I don't know how to communicate those feelings. |
I agree with you in that my feelings are also very complicated on this point. I wish we could discuss this issue so that I could learn more with the hopes that maybe things would become more clear.... |
My senator was on the local radio gab this morning and really, he's the guy I'm going to believe the most since he has an actual say/vote and he was very confident within a month, there'll be a passed bill on it.
Water cooler and internet gab over it all doesn't accomplish much, but I've got to believe my guy on the floor there and they're really close to compromise.
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 12:12 Post subject:
My congressman, Steve Chabot will be here in 45 minutes for lunch. I might ask him his position.... we'll see. I really want to understand what's going on better than I do, but he has a limited time schedule today.
I'll see him again, though.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 13:09 Post subject:
Here are the problems with intelligent discussion about this.
1. It's a really emotional issue.
2. Proposed legislation is all over the place.
3. The rules as they currently stand are inadequate and unevenly applied.
4. There is a lot of misinformation about what the rules say and there are a lot of assumptions made that aren't necessarily true.
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kristin31
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 13:44 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Here are the problems with intelligent discussion about this.
1. It's a really emotional issue.
2. Proposed legislation is all over the place.
3. The rules as they currently stand are inadequate and unevenly applied.
4. There is a lot of misinformation about what the rules say and there are a lot of assumptions made that aren't necessarily true. |
That is a good assessment. There is absolutely no standard and no fairness as to how immigration law is applied.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 14:02 Post subject:
yeh it really is unfair - on the one hand the gubbamint will send armed Federalies to snatch and deport one illegal cuban ute (ok that was the Clinton regeine but still) yet herds of them can protest in the streets.
If you're here illegally and you come to the attention of the gubbamint you should fully expect to be on the next bus to Mexico or plane to India / Eastern Europe
Note to protestors - while you did a decent job of removing the mexican flags from protests in bigger cities you need to get word out to smaller gatherings. Us mind numbed robots see that and it might get some of us off the couch and put some heat on the Gubbamint to get the invaders out.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 04/13/06 - 15:25 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Here are the problems with intelligent discussion about this.
1. It's a really emotional issue.
2. Proposed legislation is all over the place.
3. The rules as they currently stand are inadequate and unevenly applied.
4. There is a lot of misinformation about what the rules say and there are a lot of assumptions made that aren't necessarily true. |
No offense Go, but so what if it's an emotional issue. Thank god, we are a nation of laws and we don't let emotion dictate if something is legal or not. Are we, legal/voting US citizens, not allowed to voice our opinions on the matter because someone might get emotional?
11 million folks have illegally come to our country via the Mexican border in the last 15+ years. Build the wall.
If anywhere near that number of folks had come here illegally by air or sea or Canada, I would be saying the same thing. It ain't bigotry, its a practical first step solution to resolving the issue. We have to control our borders before we can sort out our current/future immigration policies.
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phillycat
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Posted: 04/14/06 - 09:11 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | Here are the problems with intelligent discussion about this.
1. It's a really emotional issue.
2. Proposed legislation is all over the place.
3. The rules as they currently stand are inadequate and unevenly applied.
4. There is a lot of misinformation about what the rules say and there are a lot of assumptions made that aren't necessarily true. |
No offense Go, but so what if it's an emotional issue. Thank god, we are a nation of laws and we don't let emotion dictate if something is legal or not. Are we, legal/voting US citizens, not allowed to voice our opinions on the matter because someone might get emotional?
11 million folks have illegally come to our country via the Mexican border in the last 15+ years. Build the wall.
If anywhere near that number of folks had come here illegally by air or sea or Canada, I would be saying the same thing. It ain't bigotry, its a practical first step solution to resolving the issue. We have to control our borders before we can sort out our current/future immigration policies. |
Do you honestly think that building a wall is going to keep people out and solve the problem?????
I find this line of thinking incredibly short sighted.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 04/14/06 - 10:19 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: |
No offense Go, but so what if it's an emotional issue. |
Dude, take a laxative. I'm just pointing out why it's hard to talk about, not what to do about it. 
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sonnylax
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Posted: 04/14/06 - 11:28 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | Do you honestly think that building a wall is going to keep people out and solve the problem?????
I find this line of thinking incredibly short sighted. |
Absolutely. I think a wall between Mexico and the US will preventing hundreds of illegals from entering this country on foot on a daily basis. I don't think it will resolve the issue completely, but it should go a very long way.
What is short sighted about that? It's a very healthy first step to resolve our immigration problem.
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