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GaRebelRunner
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 Posted: 05/28/06 - 09:59 Post subject: Wouldn't it be ironic for Iraq and Iran to be best friends?
After Bush has spent all this time, money and American lives, not to mention the number of Iraqi civilian's lives, the newly installed Iraqi goverment is making some very friendly overtures to Iran. One of the new ministers said Friday while he doesn't want any ME country to possess nukes, he does not oppose Iran enriching its uranium supply.
If this relationship between Iraq and Iran continues, the U.S. is in for a brutal surprise after all its efforts to bring Democracy to the ME.
But it will a government we brought to fruition, and an unholy alliance as well.
From the Sydney Morning Herald:
Iran has filed a lawsuit against ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein for his regime's 1980s war against Teheran, Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a joint statement with his Iraqi counterpart.
"The two sides, noting the crimes committed by Saddam Hussein's regime in its aggression against the people of Iraq, Iran and Kuwait, confirmed the need to seek justice for that," the statement read.
"To this end the Iranian Republic has passed on to the foreign ministry of Iraq a complaint against Saddam and his agents for examination by the Iraqi High Tribunal", where Saddam already faces charges of crimes against humanity, the statement added.
The document did not list any specific charges Iran wished to bring against Saddam or any of his aides.
Relations between Iran and Iraq, which fought a bloody war from 1980-1988, have improved dramatically since the fall of Saddam and the coming to power of Iraq's long disenfranchised Shi'ite majority -- many of whose leaders once sought refuge in Iran.
The ex-president and seven co-defendants are on trial for the 1980s killing of nearly 150 Shi'ite villagers in Dujail, after a botched assassination attempt was carried out in the village against Saddam.
Mottaki was in Baghdad yesterday pledging his support for Iraq's new government and promising to aid its reconstruction effort.
The Iranian diplomat went to the Shi'ite holy city of Najaf, south of the capital, today to pray in the Imam Ali shrine, one of Shi'ite Islam's holiest sites.
He visited a number of religious leaders, including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who have a great deal of influence on Iraqi politics.
"Our visit to Ayatollah al-Sistani was not political, but it was just to visit the mausoleum of Imam Ali and religious figures," said Mottaki. "Sistani has an important position and is well-known for preserving the unity of Iraq."
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jrjo
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Posted: 05/30/06 - 12:28 Post subject:
An Iranian-Iraqian friendship with a democracy in Iraq sure sounds a whole lot better to me than an Iranian-Iraqian friendship with Saddam on the throne.
I don't see this as a Dubya blunder by any means. 
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j1miller
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Posted: 05/30/06 - 12:57 Post subject:
W. is by no means a fortune teller. I support him and trust his decisions. Still.
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 05/30/06 - 20:19 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | An Iranian-Iraqian friendship with a democracy in Iraq sure sounds a whole lot better to me than an Iranian-Iraqian friendship with Saddam on the throne.
I don't see this as a Dubya blunder by any means. |
While I would hope you are correct I suspect an Iranian-Iraqi friendship simply means another religious government formed. Even Iranians elect their government, but I'm assuming you don't consider them a democracy.
And while you may not see this as a Dubya blunder, a very concerned Dubya Administration is certainly cautioning Iraq about the Iranian friendship overtures.
Just as the American government is despised in Iran, if this friendship builds it doesn't take rocket science to see the Iraqi's will be sharing that feeling soon enough. The U.S. is in a no-win situation in Iraq.
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jrjo
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Posted: 05/31/06 - 10:12 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | Just as the American government is despised in Iran, if this friendship builds it doesn't take rocket science to see the Iraqi's will be sharing that feeling soon enough. |
I thought Iraqi's already despised and hated us vile invaders??
Don't flip-flop on me man 
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Posted: 05/31/06 - 10:26 Post subject:
jeez one of the closest allies of the US was one of our fiercest enemies. * So trying to ammend wrongs is now wrong.
I dont get it at all.
*we fought and beat Great Britain twice.
Japan is also a very close friend of the US
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robp
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Posted: 05/31/06 - 10:51 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | An Iranian-Iraqian friendship with a democracy in Iraq sure sounds a whole lot better to me than an Iranian-Iraqian friendship with Saddam on the throne.
I don't see this as a Dubya blunder by any means. |
While I would hope you are correct I suspect an Iranian-Iraqi friendship simply means another religious government formed. Even Iranians elect their government, but I'm assuming you don't consider them a democracy.
And while you may not see this as a Dubya blunder, a very concerned Dubya Administration is certainly cautioning Iraq about the Iranian friendship overtures.
Just as the American government is despised in Iran, if this friendship builds it doesn't take rocket science to see the Iraqi's will be sharing that feeling soon enough. The U.S. is in a no-win situation in Iraq. |
Correction GRR, the US government is despised by the government of Iran, not the people in general. The Iranian people embrace western culture when given the opportunity. Their "elected" government is not working towards what I suspect would be most Iranian residents ideals.
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 05/31/06 - 12:34 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | Correction GRR, the US government is despised by the government of Iran, not the people in general. The Iranian people embrace western culture when given the opportunity. Their "elected" government is not working towards what I suspect would be most Iranian residents ideals. |
In rereading my post I DID say the US Government is despised. No where did I mention them despising Americans in general. The Iranian people are the ones, however, who elected their government. So I'm not sure where you are coming up with the generalization of Iranian people embracing western culture when given the opportunity.
Just because many Chinese young people are listening to western music and wearing western clothes doesn't mean the Chinese people are embracing western culture.
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Posted: 05/31/06 - 13:28 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | robp wrote: | | Correction GRR, the US government is despised by the government of Iran, not the people in general. The Iranian people embrace western culture when given the opportunity. Their "elected" government is not working towards what I suspect would be most Iranian residents ideals. |
In rereading my post I DID say the US Government is despised. No where did I mention them despising Americans in general. The Iranian people are the ones, however, who elected their government. So I'm not sure where you are coming up with the generalization of Iranian people embracing western culture when given the opportunity.
Just because many Chinese young people are listening to western music and wearing western clothes doesn't mean the Chinese people are embracing western culture. |
The US gov't is despised by the Iranian gov't, not the Iranian people.
From news articles I've read and seen, the Iranian people are much more progressive than other Middle Eastern nations. Their gov't is doing it's best to eliminate those leanings.
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Posted: 05/31/06 - 18:11 Post subject:
As I remember back in 1979 the takeover of the U.S. Embassy was not led by the Iranian Government. And for a people that you believe is pro-western their elections have a strange way of showing that. While there may be certain aspects of western civiliation Iranians may like, fact of the matter is they continue to vote along pretty conservative Islamic lines.
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