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spongebob
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 Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:33 Post subject: Women Winning Races
Some time ago, there was a discussion about women winning coed races. Some people found it hard to believe that it actually happened. Here is recent evidence from the 2004 Race for the Cure in Denver.
| Quote: | OVERALL WINNERS
Place Name City/state Guntime Chptime Pace Bib#
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1 Nicole R Aish F28 Gunnison CO 17:09 17:08 5:31 7001
2 Tanya C. Poel F39 Boulder CO 18:45 18:44 6:02 7334
3 Elsabeth Goshu F18 Littleton CO 18:46 18:45 6:02 7143
4 Jocelyn Petrella F24 Denver CO 19:12 19:11 6:11 7331
5 Shannon Smith F31 Denver CO 19:19 19:15 6:12 7387
1 Kirk Framke M30 Denver CO 17:11 17:10 5:32 7125
2 Dash I Victor M24 Denver CO 19:09 17:12 5:33 7431
3 Zach S Victor M24 Denver CO 19:19 17:22 5:36 7432
4 Matthew R Segur M32 Lakewood CO 17:35 17:34 5:40 7366
5 Travis Daniels M26 Denver CO 17:57 17:54 5:46 7086 |
http://www.ccrtiming.com/races/results/2004/04RFTC.htm
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elkid
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:34 Post subject: Re: Women Winning Races
| Runner X wrote: | | Some time ago, there was a discussion about women winning coed races. Some people found it hard to believe that it actually happened. |
Not quite. People found it hard to believe that it happened OFTEN. It does happen, it's just not the norm.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:40 Post subject:
I've been to Gunnison. 
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:41 Post subject:
Of course it's possible, but in any competitive race I am still yet to see it. And no, I wouldn't consider that race competitive, with a 17 min time winning it. Just last week there were some 5ks in the area. One was won by a guy with a 21:XX. And obviously a lot of women can run faster than that. So there's another case where a woman could have easily won.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:42 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | I've been to Gunnison. |
I have not.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:43 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | I've been to Gunnison. |
I've never been to Gunnison.
But I kinda like the music.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:44 Post subject:
Gunnison almost sounds like a brand of beer. 
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spongebob
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:46 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | Of course it's possible, but in any competitive race I am still yet to see it. And no, I wouldn't consider that race competitive, with a 17 min time winning it and everyone else a minute or more back. Just last week there were some 5ks in the area. One was won by a guy with a 21:XX. And obviously a lot of women can run faster than that. So there's another case where a woman could have easily won. |
You can't assess the competetive nature of a race in Colorado based on the times. Weather and geography play a big part in determining how fast people can run. Race courses are often hilly and challenging. And they are all run over a mile above sea level.
Having said that, I don't know where they ran. But times alone don't tell the full story of a race in Colorado. ( I think the same can be said for some of the PA races I've seen pics of in Training Tales and Race Reflections. )
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:51 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | I've never been to Gunnison.
But I kinda like the music. |
They say the ladies are insane there
And they sure know how to use it
They don't abuse it
Never gonna loose it
I can't refuse it
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 10:56 Post subject:
| Runner X wrote: |
You can't assess the competetive nature of a race in Colorado based on the times. Weather and geography play a big part in determining how fast people can run. Race courses are often hilly and challenging. And they are all run over a mile above sea level.
Having said that, I don't know where they ran. But times alone don't tell the full story of a race in Colorado. ( I think the same can be said for some of the PA races I've seen pics of in Training Tales and Race Reflections. ) |
Well aware, and I was anticipating this response. I still don't consider it competitive though. Show me any elite or semi-elite race result where a female wins.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 11:02 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: |
Well aware, and I was anticipating this response. I still don't consider it competitive though. Show me any elite or semi-elite race result where a female wins. |
That's true. I won't argue that. Paul Tergat isn't threatened by Paula Radcliffe at this point. That isn't what I meant.
My point was that women win coed races. Period.
Some people said they had never seen it, so I provided some proof.
And since when is having 6 runners in the 17's not competetive?
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 11:03 Post subject:
Regionalization plays a huge factor. I race predominantly in Philly and NYC, and usually in large races. There are people who run sub 35 10Ks who don't even come in the top 10%, so fast is this crew. I know people that never win anything who, if they went somewhere less competitively stacked, would clean sweep the trophies and medals.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 11:20 Post subject:
I'll pit the male 40-44 and 45-49 age groups from n.e. Ohio against the same from just about anywhere and feel pretty confident of coming away with a winning record. 
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 11:33 Post subject:
| Runner X wrote: | | And since when is having 6 runners in the 17's not competetive? |
Matter of opinion only, but if I win a typical 5k with a 17:10, I'll know I won because the better runners didn't show up. Now if you're running up the side of a mountain, a 17:10 is great. But I doubt that a Race for the Cure course is anything extreme.
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Posted: 10/12/04 - 11:35 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | But I doubt that a Race for the Cure course is anything extreme. |
Just the fact that people finished in a race series notoriously known for its lack of organization is impressive.
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