Why can't I get in to the last page of the gay marriage?
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pokychick
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 Posted: 02/28/04 - 19:30 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: |  ..I was the happy deleter, 9 posts all together... based largely on PM volume to some over the top references. Controversial topics alienate many of us enough from one another without having to go the extra mile and really grind a heel on it.  |
I find this scary and sad.
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elkid
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 20:11 Post subject:
| pokychick wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | ..I was the happy deleter, 9 posts all together... based largely on PM volume to some over the top references. |
I find this scary and sad. |
 and ironic because I, "Ms. Controversy", had nothing to do with the thread at all.
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megawill
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 22:09 Post subject:
when you don't feel secure enough in your beliefs to allow an open discussion without feeling so offended that you need to adhere to the squawking of a few and resort to deleting posts, well that just doesn't seem right to me...
and that is a big reason why i don't visit a whole lot anymore...there is a place for intelligent discussion no matter your viewpoint, and if an intelligent discussion cannot progress here without the censoring of 'unpopular' or 'over the top' view points...well then, what's the point...oh well i guess we can all have lots of fun and personal enlightment and fulfillment discussing our favorite colors or least favorite vegetables...
hasta lasagna
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jrjo
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Posted: 02/28/04 - 23:33 Post subject:
| megawill wrote: | when you don't feel secure enough in your beliefs to allow an open discussion without feeling so offended that you need to adhere to the squawking of a few and resort to deleting posts, well that just doesn't seem right to me...
and that is a big reason why i don't visit a whole lot anymore...there is a place for intelligent discussion no matter your viewpoint, and if an intelligent discussion cannot progress here without the censoring of 'unpopular' or 'over the top' view points...well then, what's the point...oh well i guess we can all have lots of fun and personal enlightment and fulfillment discussing our favorite colors or least favorite vegetables... |
Ya know what Jerry. I should take this to a PM as rightly so, you should have too, but I won't. Because this thread applies to me, and me alone, I am going to ask you and you alone about the "unpopular" censoring I chose to do. And how you so condescendingly come down upon me and challenge the security of my beliefs is a personal and uncalled for attack.
The "unpopular" deleted posts dealt with the sexual activies of gay men, the sexual positions used by gay men and most digustingly, pedophilia (and those posts quoting the above mentioned). Now I don't know about you, but there are plenty of places on the internet to talk about such things, and as long as I have the moderator delete button here, I'm going to hold fast to the desire to keep rf.com a place with more class and intellect than to "go there".
Go ahead and look down your nose at me as some kind of backwater conservative incapable of personal enlightenment if you must, but ya know what.. that's what just doesn't seem right to me.
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 07:58 Post subject:
| megawill wrote: | when you don't feel secure enough in your beliefs to allow an open discussion without feeling so offended that you need to adhere to the squawking of a few and resort to deleting posts, well that just doesn't seem right to me...
and that is a big reason why i don't visit a whole lot anymore...there is a place for intelligent discussion no matter your viewpoint, and if an intelligent discussion cannot progress here without the censoring of 'unpopular' or 'over the top' view points...well then, what's the point...oh well i guess we can all have lots of fun and personal enlightment and fulfillment discussing our favorite colors or least favorite vegetables...
hasta lasagna
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| The FAQ wrote: | What are Moderators?
Moderators are individuals (or groups of individuals) whose job it is to look after the running of the forums from day to day. They have the power to edit or delete posts and lock, unlock, move, delete and split topics in the forum they moderate. Generally moderators are there to prevent people going off-topic or posting abusive or offensive material. |
jrjo was doing his job Mega, I for one am glad that he removed the offensive or over the top stuff, this isn't the place for it.
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 08:43 Post subject:
sounds to me like JJ was right on. At least he made a decision and stood by it.
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megawill
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 09:30 Post subject:
you're probably right...and I guess I'd probably have to see the posts to make that judgement...and i probably should've addressed my concerns via pm...
my original post wasn't meant to be a personal slam to jrjo so much as a rebuke of the general tone of this forum when discussions like this occur...(which i perceive is the desire by many to shut them down, before someone gets their feelings hurt....and to move on to the next fubbyism of the day)
guess my point is that instead of removing items that are over the top or offensive, (unless it was obviously posted by a troll) that you should let the community take the posts/posters to task for obviously posting something that has no merit to the rest of the discussion...or on the other hand ignore the posts altogether...
if the disccussion then turns into something that is 'deemed' offensive, I'd rather the thread be locked then have individual posts deleted...at least then you remove the aura of mystery around the whole thing...and if the discussion is worth having, then members can let their feelings known to the moderator and/or start another thread...
(regardless, i guess i should've just kept my mouth shut because i didn't see the posts that were deleted...)
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kristin31
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 09:39 Post subject:
Yikes! I didn't mean to start anything either, I was just curious. Being of a more liberal bent and having very close friends who want to get married and cannot, I was curious to see what others felt and more importantly, WHY they felt opposed to the issue.
Have a nice day! Hi, mega and CB! How's sweetpea and the gang?
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genie
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Posted: 02/29/04 - 17:35 Post subject:
Having been in the middle of many a controversy here and in other forums, I feel obliged to chime in too. This isn't the first time a thread has been censored for what was clearly offensive and sometimes vile content (remember Bret's foul comments in a "gay" thread some time ago?) and I fully support any moderator's right to do so. While I agree that we do try to keep things civil here as a rule, I also challenge--what's wrong with that? Is there really a reason to needlessly hurt someone else JUST to make your point? I think not. We're all adults, the majority of us very well educated here, and I think we're all capable of disagreeing on issues and debating them without getting ugly and offensive.
And by ugly and offensive, I mean just that--not "I disagree with you, boo hoo, now I'm pissed because you didn't see it my way" but "(insert x group of people here) are (insert random vile or derogatory comment here)." There's no point to that and there are, as jrjo said, plenty of other forums to go to if you want no more than to be crude and ignorant, rather than sticking to the topic. We were discussing the gay marriage issue, not whether or not anyone here finds people who live that lifestyle to be any of the nasty things that were included in the posts that were deleted. I only saw one of them before it was deleted but it was downright nasty and contributed nothing to the discussion.
I say, and this is merely my and I direct it at the general public, not any person in particular, if all you want to accomplish is flinging sh*t at someone because they choose a lifestyle or set of beliefs that you don't agree with, then go be an azzhole somewhere else and let the rest of us discuss adult issues like adults. 
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 01:18 Post subject:
I clearly missed reading some of the posts that followed mine. 
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 11:25 Post subject:
Nope. Mega is right. The neo-cons are wrong. When you feel the need/right to censor someone else's thoughts, vile though they be, what's the point?
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spongebob
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 12:10 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | Nope. Mega is right. The neo-cons are wrong. When you feel the need/right to censor someone else's thoughts, vile though they be, what's the point? |
The point is that this is a running forum, not Hardball with Chris Matthews.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 12:17 Post subject:
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. It can't be Hard Ball when all the neo-cons go on for pages and pages about political stuff and then the minute another view, however unpleasant its perceived to be, comes in, decide it's a running forum.
This place has an identity crisis going on.
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Pug
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 12:22 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | Nope. Mega is right. The neo-cons are wrong. When you feel the need/right to censor someone else's thoughts, vile though they be, what's the point? |
When those thoughts violate the TOS, then i think a mod has the right to delete a post.
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Cappy
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 12:32 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Sorry, you can't have it both ways. It can't be Hard Ball when all the neo-cons go on for pages and pages about political stuff and then the minute another view, however unpleasant its perceived to be, comes in, decide it's a running forum.
This place has an identity crisis going on. |
As this is a privately owned forum, PH or his designates can: edit, censor, or delete, whatever they feel is offensive or over the top.
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