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 Posted: 07/26/06 - 14:51 Post subject:
If one embryo had to be killed to make a difference in Abby's life, I still would not support it. I cannot in good conscience
No offense Sue (RR), I know your struggles with your son this is just a real personal issue for me.
I remember actually seeing JJ and Abby as embryos before they were implanted in Robin (We had IVF), I could not help but think that they were our children even then. We had 9 embryos take, 4 were implanted into Robin, two of those died. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 07/26/06 - 15:09 Post subject:
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. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue. |
What if the embryos had survived, but you were not able to try IVF again. Had you decided what you would do with the embryos then?
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copteacher
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Posted: 07/26/06 - 15:39 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | copteacher wrote: |
. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue. |
What if the embryos had survived, but you were not able to try IVF again. Had you decided what you would do with the embryos then? |
we only had the amount taken out we wanted to succesfully try. Otherwise we would have donated them with a restriction of only going to an infertile couple. Period.
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 07/26/06 - 16:53 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | copteacher wrote: |
. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue. |
What if the embryos had survived, but you were not able to try IVF again. Had you decided what you would do with the embryos then? |
See, in this particular situation I wouldn't see any problem with donating them for the sake of science.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 07/26/06 - 17:21 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | copteacher wrote: |
. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue. |
What if the embryos had survived, but you were not able to try IVF again. Had you decided what you would do with the embryos then? |
See, in this particular situation I wouldn't see any problem with donating them for the sake of science. |
But that is how stem cells are obtained. There are thousdands of embryos created for IVF every year that are destroyed because they can't be used (even when parents have every intention of using them).
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Posted: 07/26/06 - 18:48 Post subject:
science that is funded by the private sector. Research will not stop, the feds just will not fund part of it.
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Posted: 07/26/06 - 20:51 Post subject:
| copteacher wrote: | If one embryo had to be killed to make a difference in Abby's life, I still would not support it. I cannot in good conscience
No offense Sue (RR), I know your struggles with your son this is just a real personal issue for me.. |
you're not offending me joe. this is a very personal issue with me as well and we are on opposite ends of the argument for obvious reasons.
please do not assume that because i parent a child who would benefit from this research that i advocate killing anything though. joe, your line of reasoning here is exactly why stem cell research is a lost cause in the US. it is somehow assumed that proponents of this research are killers of embryos and nothing is further from the truth.
i am willing to bet that most supporters of stem cell research do so with the understanding that the stem cell lines are being harvested from the embryonic cells which are earmarked for destruction. there are apparently hundreds of cases in which parents do NOT stipulate adoption or do NOT choose to pay to keep the cells viable, in which case they are discarded.
it is beyond my understanding why we do not make better use of those "discarded" embryonic stem cells. it's unfortunate that this line of research got named "embryonic" stem cell as it carries with it a very negative implication that we are destroying an embryo which would someday be a human being. we do not support killing anything joe, in spite of how hysterical and desperate i may sound.... it is true that the embryonic nature of these cells is what holds their promise of reprogramming in ways that would end disease in one person, and spinal cord injury in another, but the stem cells would only be harvested from those earmarked for destruction (and there are hundreds of them).
The US has shut the funding door on this. sure, private research goes on but at a snails pace. i'll most likely never see the benefit of stem cell research in my lifetime.
i really don't believe stem cells are an instant cure, a magic dust that will end everyones' suffering. i am a parent of a compromised child and a realist to the core, i know this research is in its infancy and there are decades of research ahead of us, but mr. bush continues to push it further and further behind.
discarded stem cells could improve and save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people but one line of thinking and the potential for abuse has and will continue to stop this in its tracks which is a tragedy on many fronts as far as i'm concerned.
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Posted: 07/27/06 - 08:03 Post subject:
Sue, that was a terrific post.
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Posted: 07/27/06 - 15:25 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | copteacher wrote: |
. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue. |
What if the embryos had survived, but you were not able to try IVF again. Had you decided what you would do with the embryos then? |
See, in this particular situation I wouldn't see any problem with donating them for the sake of science. |
But that is how stem cells are obtained. There are thousdands of embryos created for IVF every year that are destroyed because they can't be used (even when parents have every intention of using them). |
I know how stem cells are obtained. I was just stating that I wouldn't see any problem using them in this particular situation.
I have a problem with stem cell research from the "slippery slope" standpoint. I agree that stem cell research needs to be done and in cases just like this I have no problem with them being used. However, if we legally allow the use of them in a case like this then we allow for the "slippery slope" to begin and people start to use (IMO) morally wrong reasons for collecting the stem cells.
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Posted: 07/27/06 - 18:48 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | copteacher wrote: |
. The other 5 we were going to freeze for our use later but they died after 5 days. We had thought about all of the consequences many years ago even before this came up as an issue. |
What if the embryos had survived, but you were not able to try IVF again. Had you decided what you would do with the embryos then? |
See, in this particular situation I wouldn't see any problem with donating them for the sake of science. |
But that is how stem cells are obtained. There are thousdands of embryos created for IVF every year that are destroyed because they can't be used (even when parents have every intention of using them). |
I know how stem cells are obtained. I was just stating that I wouldn't see any problem using them in this particular situation.
I have a problem with stem cell research from the "slippery slope" standpoint. I agree that stem cell research needs to be done and in cases just like this I have no problem with them being used. However, if we legally allow the use of them in a case like this then we allow for the "slippery slope" to begin and people start to use (IMO) morally wrong reasons for collecting the stem cells. |
I'm lost. What is the morally wrong means of collection? I'm really, really trying to understand. Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense. The only thing I can come up with is that somehow people are tying stem cells with abortions, they honestly believe some woman will go out an abort a fetus for stem cells. This is unbelieveable!! The act is committed. Science from that point on will be no more involved than IVF and test tube babies. The difference is rather than create one or more lives we can research and save possible millions lives and/or heartache. If you have a fear of cloning, don't you think it's a good idea to have the government involved?
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 07/27/06 - 20:43 Post subject:
[quote="DCRunningDiva]I know how stem cells are obtained. I was just stating that I wouldn't see any problem using them in this particular situation.
I have a problem with stem cell research from the "slippery slope" standpoint. I agree that stem cell research needs to be done and in cases just like this I have no problem with them being used. However, if we legally allow the use of them in a case like this then we allow for the "slippery slope" to begin and people start to use (IMO) morally wrong reasons for collecting the stem cells.[/quote]
I don't get this either. Should we not move forward with extremely promising research that has the potential to improve the quality of life and even save lives because someone *might* in a way that some consider immoral. That could cover just about any technology on Earth. And scientists don't need to resort to encouraging abortions to obtain stem cells. There are already plenty available - they just need to be allowed to use them.
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