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akern
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 Posted: 01/20/04 - 12:11 Post subject:
All I have to say is: I was really PO'd when the last 5 minutes of Average Joe was cut into to announce Gephardt was dropping out. 
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sonnylax
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 12:12 Post subject:
Interesting site as we approach the rest of the primaries and Fall Election:
http://www.FactCheck.org
| Quote: | Our Mission
We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.
The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by an endowment from the Annenberg Foundation. |
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megawill
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 13:13 Post subject:
Random Thoughts from a Caucaus Goer:
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To me there weren't that many surprises last evening. These guys off and on for the last 6 months and have lived here almost exclusively for the last 4-6 weeks.
Dean's surge before Iowa was based in my book on Anti-War sentiment and his ability to raise money based off that sentiment. While I agree with some of Dean's positions, I think he wears a little thin and would not be a good candidate for the party. The Anti-Dean forces of Kerry and Edwards garnered 70% of the vote. Dean isn't going away soon, because he still has the most money and a strong organization but I'd be very surprised if he is the nominee. Democrats want someone who can defeat Bush and the prevailing mood of among the commonwealth of Dems is that someone isn't Howard Dean.
Gephardt's showing was not a surprise. His appeal is slim outside his Union Supporters. Unions are no longer the mobilizing force that they once were.
Edwards has a populist message that sells very well here, and I think it will continue to sell well if he can raise enough money to get it out.
Kerry won because he is a credible candidate that had support of veterans. Kerry plays well in person, better I think then on TV and in Iowa we have a chance to meet all the candidates face to face if we choose to do so, so it will be interesting to see if that plays as well in larger primary states were TV will be used more to get messages across. As a New Englander, Kerry will have a tough time in the South, so if Edwards and Clark gather enough money and momentum to continue they both could give Kerry a real fight for the nomination. I continue to beleive that Kerry is the candidate that the Republicans would least like to face.
Voter participation was double what it was in 2000 among democrats. No matter what many think, this democrats are mobilizing against Bush and this is going to an extremely close election. Remember that no matter how Bush tries to play the 'National Security' card, remember that it is still the economy stupid and unless this economy begins producing jobs, something up until this point in time it hasn't been able to do under the current administration, Bush will be as hard a sell in the industrial NE and Midwest as any Democrat is in the South....
(did i mention the political junkie in me just loves all of this....)
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cherylpf
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 13:32 Post subject:
Very interesting Mega! I was hoping you would chime in with some Iowa perspectives. I'm getting more info too from a good friend who used to live there and also participate. Very interesting to me.
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coachmarkos
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 13:35 Post subject:
Good post mega!
I was wondering what your thoughts would be, as a Demo from Iowa.
Like I said before...Edwards is kinda impressive. Don't know if that means he can win...for the reasons you mentioned, but he is a good candidate.
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Cappy
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 13:38 Post subject:
What exactly is a caucus, and how is it different from a regular election?
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megawill
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 14:02 Post subject:
| coachmarkos wrote: | Good post mega!
I was wondering what your thoughts would be, as a Demo from Iowa.
Like I said before...Edwards is kinda impressive. Don't know if that means he can win...for the reasons you mentioned, but he is a good candidate. |
I agree with you on Edwards. Edwards was the first candidate that I was drawn to. If you research the candidates, you can start by looking at their websites, Edwards has the most detail of any candidate in depth and breadth on the issues. Edwards also, has a written policy on Corporate Corruption and what he would do to prevent future Enron's and Tyco's. This is an issue near and dear to me after my experience at WorldCon...
But ulitmately, I decided on Kerry because of Edwards relative lack of inexperience (first term Senator) and because I really don't believe that Bush wants to go Toe to Toe with Kerry on National Security. So I went with the Kerry because in my opinion, I think he is the most formidable candidate. But there is a long way to go, so I'll reserve the right to change my opinion on that as things continue to unfold....
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airehead
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 16:15 Post subject:
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cherylpf
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 16:27 Post subject:
Interesting indeed. I came up with Bush 60%, Clark 55%.
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Pug
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 16:34 Post subject:
Dennis Kucinich - 84%
Al Sharpton - 77%
Walt Brown (Socalist Candidate) - 72%
John Kerry/Howard Dean/Wesley Clark - 71%
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jrjo
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 16:34 Post subject:
Surprise... Dubya for me. And not too far back.. Libertarian 
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Pug
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 16:37 Post subject:
I'm just surprised i have the socialist candidate above three potentially electable candidates.
Then again, maybe i shouldn't be.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 16:49 Post subject:
Bush (63%)
Libertarian Candidate (59%)
Lieberman (49%)
for me.... Interesting site.
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runaroundsue
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 17:03 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: |
Surprise... Dubya for me. And not too far back.. Libertarian |
me too......surprise 89% match!!!!! Kucinich far behind at 33% and Kerry 32%.....bottom of my list Clark.
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genie
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Posted: 01/20/04 - 17:39 Post subject:
Mine was a tie between Lieberman and Bush, that's about right.
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