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kristin31
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 Posted: 07/18/05 - 16:40 Post subject: This certainly doesn't condone violence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm
UK Muslims issue bombings fatwa
British Muslims have condemned the London bomb atrocity
More than 500 British Muslim religious leaders and scholars have issued a fatwa in response to the London bombs.
The religious decree expresses condolences to the families of the victims of the atrocity and wishes the injured a speedy recovery.
It states Islam condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives and says suicide bombings are "vehemently prohibited".
The formal legal opinion was issued by the British Muslim Forum at Parliament.
More than 50 Muslim religious leaders from around the UK stood together outside the Houses of Parliament to hear the fatwa read out.
Prayer for peace
Gul Mohammad, secretary general of the BMF, quoted the Koran saying: "Whoever kills a human being ... then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life it is as though he had saved all mankind."
He went on: "Islam's position is clear and unequivocal: murder of one soul is the murder of the whole of humanity; he who shows no respect for human life is an enemy of humanity.
"We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism in the world.
"We pray for the peace, security and harmony to triumph in multicultural Great Britain."
The BMF is an umbrella group launched in March 2005 with nearly 300 mosques affiliated to it.
The fatwa will be read out in mosques across the country on 22 July.
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Posted: 07/18/05 - 17:15 Post subject:
there needs to be much more of that in the Islamic World. They could use the good PR really.
By allowing themselves to be "bullied" by other sects of the religion, they cast a sweeping judgement of themselves. I understand <10% of the Muslims are ultra conservative i.e. wahabi. That means there is a large majority of the people who can "clean house" and do some internal policing.
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Posted: 07/18/05 - 17:34 Post subject:
This certainly DOES condone the violance in London. Seriously Kristin, I could reports of various Islamic groups praise/saluting/celebrating recent terrorism all day long.
| Quote: | London-based radical salutes bombs 'victory'
Nick Fielding and Dipesh Gadher
A LONDON-BASED Islamic radical has praised the suicide bomb attacks on the capital.
Hani Al-Siba’i, an Egyptian-born academic, described the attacks that killed at least 55 people as “a great victory” that rubbed the noses of G8 countries in the mud.
His inflammatory comments come as the government is preparing to create a new offence of “glorifying or endorsing” terrorism, such as praising suicide bombers as martyrs.
Al-Siba’i runs the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies from his home in Hammersmith, west London, and is a well known figure among Muslim radicals in Britain.
According to the FBI, he is also a former leader of the outlawed Egyptian Islamic Jihad organisation, which later became part of Al-Qaeda.
In an interview with the Arabic Al-Jazeera television channel the day after the bombings, Al-Siba’i claimed Tony Blair would “pay the price” for the “grave error” of claiming the attacks were the work of Islamists before the completion of the police investigation.
He claimed the bombings could have been the work of Zionist Americans or another western country hostile to Britain. His comments echo those of other Islamic clerics, several of whom in Pakistan claimed the real perpetrators came from countries unhappy that Britain will host the 2012 Olympics.
Al-Siba’i continued: “If Al-Qaeda indeed carried out this act, it is a great victory for it. It rubbed the noses of the world’s eight most powerful countries in the mud. The victory is a blow to the economy.”
When asked about the killings of civilians by Islamists in Iraq, he denied that victims could be divided into combatants and non-combatants. “The term civilian does not exist in Islamic religious law. There is no such term as civilians in the western sense. People are either of Dar al Harb [literally, house of hostility, meaning any non-Islamic government] or not.”
When contacted yesterday, Al–Siba’i stood by most of his comments, although he said the remarks about the definition of civilians “may have been mistranslated”.
Al-Siba’i is one of a number of Islamist propagandists who may be subject to legal action under new measures being drawn up by the Home Office to curb “preachers of hate”.
The new policy will be put to the test next month if another Muslim scholar, Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, attends a conference in Manchester.
Al-Qaradawi, 79, is banned from America for advocating child suicide bombers in the Middle East, although he has condemned the London bombings. He has reportedly said: “The Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb and these human bombs must continue until liberation.”
Al-Qaradawi, who was born in Egypt and is based in Qatar, was invited to Britain last year by Ken Livingstone, the mayor of London. His visit drew protests from Jewish groups and gay rights organisations.
The Ramadhan Foundation, the Muslim educational institute organising the conference in Manchester on August 7, confirmed Al-Qaradawi was due to attend, if he was fit enough to travel. “He’s the most famous scholar in the Arab world today,” said a spokesman.
Meanwhile, Asian communities in Britain are worried they are being targeted by the far right in “revenge” attacks for the bombings. About 500 “faith hate” and racist crimes have been reported to police in the past 10 days. The figure is normally 50-60 a week.
The reprisals include arson attacks on several mosques and a Sikh temple. On Thursday, police arrested eight people at a pub in Leeds, near the homes of two of the London bombers. Yesterday, a man was charged with arson on a mosque in Birkenhead, Merseyside. |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1697329,00.html
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kristin31
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Posted: 07/19/05 - 08:54 Post subject:
As with any segment of our society, it is the radical fringe minority who make the most noise and attract the most negative attention. Many people fail to grasp this concept.
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Posted: 07/19/05 - 09:22 Post subject:
| Quote: | Meanwhile, Asian communities in Britain are worried they are being targeted by the far right in “revenge” attacks for the bombings. About 500 “faith hate” and racist crimes have been reported to police in the past 10 days. The figure is normally 50-60 a week.
The reprisals include arson attacks on several mosques and a Sikh temple. On Thursday, police arrested eight people at a pub in Leeds, near the homes of two of the London bombers. Yesterday, a man was charged with arson on a mosque in Birkenhead, Merseyside. |
Yup. Wonder how many of those folks or houses of worship attacked were of the liberal or moderate mainly-secular majority of Muslim Britains?
Nice to see they got a Sikh temple, too. You can never fault the logic of a goon squad bent on revenge. 
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 06:44 Post subject:
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 07:06 Post subject:
Face painting?
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 07:48 Post subject:
Sorry Sonny, but when I read your posts regarding terrorism I hear nothing but a response of hatred toward Islam. You may not think you're feeling hatred but that is really what your words convey to me. I suppose I can understand where that hatred comes from but I don't believe that letting it consume your thinking is of any benefit to you or anyone who reads what you have to say. Fighting the hatred of the terroists with a response of hatred only leads to war and will never lead to peace. Bombing Mecca or Syria or Iran is not going to stop the hate it will only create more - in Americans, in their allies and in the people you are bombing. I'm not sure if you're a Christian (I've heard others allude to this fact) but I would challenge you to read (or reread) Christ's 'Sermon on the Mount' because I believe wholeheartedly that He did have the answers to the problems we face today:
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Matthew 5:3-12, 38-46 (New American Standard Translation)
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you...
...You have heard that it was said, `An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? |
Sorry to sermonize but what I hear coming from you in the name of peace, liberty and justice disturbs me almost as much as seeing the murders committed by fanatics in the name of the peaceful religion of Islam. And don't get me wrong, I'm only presenting this as my perspective on the content of your posts, I don't have a clue who you are as a person.
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 08:54 Post subject:
If you wish to discuss the topic at hand, feel free. But kindly save the sermon Steve. Thanks.
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 09:12 Post subject:
Steve's 'sermons' are no different from your own.
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 09:46 Post subject:
I thought the topic at hand was debunking the hatred toward all Muslims that is errupting as a result of the latest terrorist activity in London?
If you think its useful to continue posting anecdotal instances supporting either side of the Islam is evil/Islam is not evil argument without examining any human context for the underlying motivations or reprecussions of such thoughts, then by all means continue. Don't let my sermons interrupt.
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 16:42 Post subject:
never mind.
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Posted: 07/20/05 - 19:02 Post subject:
Ok, let's be civil.
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Posted: 07/22/05 - 02:35 Post subject:
Radical religious group of all faiths will kill in the name of God.
It is not the religion that kills-- it is something more; such as no justice, no education, and no hope. These people are either conditioned or believe that there are no viable options remaining for the future.
The justice, education, and hope need to be changed for peace to thrive. All of this has very little to do with the particular brand of religion one subscribes to.
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