Texas arresting people in bars for being drunk
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msparks
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 Posted: 03/26/06 - 14:45 Post subject:
| brie k wrote: | | They're not doing anything wrong by enforcing it, and maybe now people will drink more responsibility. |
Maybe...but how long will it be before bars become private clubs, charging membership?
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 14:46 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | brie k wrote: | | They're not doing anything wrong by enforcing it, and maybe now people will drink more responsibility. |
Maybe...but how long will it be before bars become private clubs, charging membership? |
Thank GOD we were at a private club last night.....
exiting thread now.... 
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 14:49 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | msparks wrote: | | brie k wrote: | | They're not doing anything wrong by enforcing it, and maybe now people will drink more responsibility. |
Maybe...but how long will it be before bars become private clubs, charging membership? |
Thank GOD we were at a private club last night.....
exiting thread now.... |
Was there oompah music?
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 14:54 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | msparks wrote: | | brie k wrote: | | They're not doing anything wrong by enforcing it, and maybe now people will drink more responsibility. |
Maybe...but how long will it be before bars become private clubs, charging membership? |
Thank GOD we were at a private club last night.....
exiting thread now.... |
Was there oompah music?
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dunno....  I was asleep!
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 16:26 Post subject:
Interesting way of being proactive before the drunkeness leads to a tragedy.
Since a bar is considered a "public place" people have no expectation of privacy. Therefore the police have every right to enter the establishment.
The statement about private clubs is correct. Police would need a warant to enter that establishment just as they would need a warrant to enter your home.
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 17:21 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | The statement about private clubs is correct. Police would need a warant to enter that establishment just as they would need a warrant to enter your home. |
I wonder about the judge who'd issue such a warrant. Perhaps our attorneys/almost-attorneys would answer this for us. How is a judge guided in this matter? It's reasonable to expect that an establishment which served alcohol would have drunken patrons. But if that establishment is private, would those patrons who'd indulged too much be publicly intoxicated? It would be quite simple to stand outside the door and wait for the drunks to appear...in public...it then being a case of public intoxication. But even if the "agents" had warrants and entered the private club, could the drunks be charged with public intoxication?
Law pipples? Inquiring minds want to know!
And, with that, I'm off to my private club.
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 17:51 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | I wonder about the judge who'd issue such a warrant. Perhaps our attorneys/almost-attorneys would answer this for us. How is a judge guided in this matter? It's reasonable to expect that an establishment which served alcohol would have drunken patrons. But if that establishment is private, would those patrons who'd indulged too much be publicly intoxicated? It would be quite simple to stand outside the door and wait for the drunks to appear...in public...it then being a case of public intoxication. But even if the "agents" had warrants and entered the private club, could the drunks be charged with public intoxication?
Law pipples? Inquiring minds want to know!
And, with that, I'm off to my private club.
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Remember, according to the Constitution, warrants have to be specific. You can't issue a warrant "just because" there are going to be "drunk people" in the private club.
The only recourse for law enforcement would be to wait on the street for a drunk to come out of the club, but... if the drunk is getting into a cab to go home is that considered "public" ?
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 17:52 Post subject:
maybe I should just not drink anymore....
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 18:16 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | maybe I should just not drink anymore.... |
or any less... 
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 18:49 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | Remember, according to the Constitution, warrants have to be specific. You can't issue a warrant "just because" there are going to be "drunk people" in the private club.
The only recourse for law enforcement would be to wait on the street for a drunk to come out of the club, but... if the drunk is getting into a cab to go home is that considered "public" ? |
Well, maybe so. It is public transportation!
As far as warrants needing to be specific, I can't say. It's not that I haven't read the Constitution. And I don't mean to take a stick to the proverbial hornet's nest, but these days, in the name of NATIONAL SECURITY, warrants aren't exactly in vogue...or necessary.
In case anyone has wondered, we're doomed.
Really.
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 19:24 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | .jrjo wrote: | "Public drunkenness" is a law on the books, and imho, kudos for somebody having the nads to enforce it.  |
There are many, many laws, archaic and otherwise, which aren't enforced but it's not for lack of "nads."
As I've previously posted, the woman interviewed for the t.v. news segment stated that this was being done, not so much to keep drunks off of the road - because not all drunks drive - but to keep bartenders/bar owners from serving alcohol to obviously inebriated customers.
"Agents infiltrated" bars? Wow, were they in disguise? I wonder if they used code names?
Did the agents administer field sobriety tests? Were Breathalyzers used?
It's good to see that the great state of Texas is finally doing something about real crime. After they've rounded up all the drunks, perhaps they might want to focus on illegal immigration.
Wait!! I've got it! Why not build mega-bars, right at the border?!? Neon signs flashing, "Cerveza...Fria...Barata" Whoo-wee, boy! Two fer the price of one! Maybe Homeland Security can get in on this one, pitch in a few bucks, help Texas defray the costs.
Or course, Shiner, Pearl, and Lone Star breweries will be all "We support this effort." But, behind those corporate doors...? |
If they are in the bar and drunk what's the problem? if they are fighting or one thing that's different but if they get drunk so what, they'll pay in the morning. Start arresting strippers then for indecent exposure, (or some hashers  )
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 20:14 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | It's good to see that the great state of Texas is finally doing something about real crime. |
You can be sarcastic about it all you'd like, but I sense you've never taken indepth looks at what lies in the wake of alcohol in this country... domestic abuse, theft, property damage, sexual assault, the list goes on and on. Take a moment to speak with your local police officers and find out that a majority of crime stems from this wonderful little drug we've glamorized in this country as a way to be beautiful for beach volleyball or whatever other commerical image your favorite beverage is protraying you'll feel like with their product while all along it's dirty little secret staring at us all like a white elephant is that it's real purpose is to erase people's inhibitions giving many the misguided decision to drive drunk, beat their children or cheat on their wife. You can scoff all you want at my disdain for knowing how many lives in my country, my state, my community and including some of my family that have been ruined because of your beloved little buzz liquid. In the grand scheme of things, Texas IS doing something about "real crime". Again, KUDOs to them I say.
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 20:18 Post subject:
| .jrjo wrote: | | msparks wrote: | | It's good to see that the great state of Texas is finally doing something about real crime. |
domestic abuse, theft, property damage, sexual assault, the list goes on and on. Take a moment to speak with your local police officers and find out that a majority of crime stems from this wonderful little drug we've glamorized in this country as a way to be beautiful for beach volleyball or whatever other commerical image your favorite beverage is protraying you'll feel like with their product while all along it's dirty little secret staring at us all like a white elephant is that it's real purpose is to erase people's inhibitions giving many the misguided decision to drive drunk, beat their children or cheat on their wife. You can scoff all you want at my disdain for knowing how many lives in my country, my state, my community and including some of my family that have been ruined because of your beloved little buzz liquid. In the grand scheme of things, Texas IS doing something about "real crime". Again, KUDOs to them I say. |
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 20:25 Post subject:
| .jrjo wrote: | | You can be sarcastic about it all you'd like, but I sense you've never taken indepth looks at what lies in the wake of alcohol in this country |
Your sense is mistaken. If you're not aware, or if you've just forgotten, I had a career in a profession that put me in touch WAY TOO FREAKIN' OFTEN with the aftermath of what drunks/alcoholics can get themselves - and other, innocent bystanders - into. So you're wrong. Way wrong. I've seen it. I've dealt with it...personally. I didn't have to read about it or watch television to learn. I got it, firsthand...up close and personal.
And maybe you, too, have been affected by people under the influence. I don't know. Maybe someone in your family was an alcoholic. Maybe a drunk crossed the centerline and killed or maimed a loved one. I simply don't know.
But I'm not about to claim that you know little about it or haven't taken an in-depth look at the problem. I just don't know.
Your sense on this one was flat-dog wrong.
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Posted: 03/26/06 - 20:49 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | Your sense on this one was flat-dog wrong. |
I guess it was the diguises, code names, Barney Fife, oompah and doomsday comments that threw your replies in the thread. 
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