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camelia bedelia
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 Posted: 11/14/04 - 08:32 Post subject:
I guess I do remember noticing the blonde hair. I notice from the article he is a fertilizer salesman. In other words, a sh!t distributor.  What a creep.
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Laurie Ellen
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Posted: 11/14/04 - 10:00 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | Connor's death was not the intended target so to speak he was "collerteral damage". If I had a beef with an airline pilot and shot the co pilot too, 1st degree for the pilot, 2nd degree for the co pilot. 2nd degree murders are actually more dangerous because they are often unintended victims.
G3 or Gman should help with this too. |
I understand that, technically... it was explained exactly like your statements above in the news coverage afterward... but I DISAGREE. As I stated... if Connor was an unintended victim, his father would have waited another 2 weeks for his birth before killing his mother, an action which he MUST HAVE KNOWN would have the DIRECT RESULT of killing his son, also.
He killed them both with the same planned action, and I think it's obvious that he did this before she delivered to GET RID OF THEM BOTH.
As for his punishment, he snuffed out 2 lives so that he could start his over. Disgusting, immoral action. He should not get to live, because they did not get to live.
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genie
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Posted: 11/14/04 - 11:56 Post subject:
| Laurie Ellen wrote: |
I understand that, technically... it was explained exactly like your statements above in the news coverage afterward... but I DISAGREE. As I stated... if Connor was an unintended victim, his father would have waited another 2 weeks for his birth before killing his mother, an action which he MUST HAVE KNOWN would have the DIRECT RESULT of killing his son, also.
He killed them both with the same planned action, and I think it's obvious that he did this before she delivered to GET RID OF THEM BOTH. |
That's my rationale for feeling that both deaths were premeditated, although I understand Joe's explanation as to why the courts would see it that way. It's kind of a fine line to ride, I would imagine, as far as the legal system, but as a moral and ethical issue, I totally agree with Laurie Ellen and have said so in discussions we've had at work about this. He wanted to be rid of both of them. I don't buy the argument that he was too dumb to realize that killing her before Conner was actually born was a double murder.
| Quote: | | As for his punishment, he snuffed out 2 lives so that he could start his over. Disgusting, immoral action. He should not get to live, because they did not get to live. |
Normally I would agree wholeheartedly because of the nature of the crimes, but a quick and painless death, which I am gathering is NOT what Conner and Laci got, is far too kind a fate for him. Without being gross and graphic, seeing him go through daily what men go through in prison somehow seems more deserving for a sick piece of crap like him. But I don't want to have to pay for it, so I am still torn. I'm just glad they found him guilty though, at least that's a start.
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kattzoo
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Posted: 11/14/04 - 17:39 Post subject:
The blonde hair, 10 grand etc. was brought up at trial. His mother was a witness. She claimed the money/ brothers id was her fault. She had sold a vehicle or was trying to buy one and took the money out of the wrong account (his brothers) and Scott was simply helping her by returning the money to the bank. How sweet.
He claimed he was blonde to try and avoid the press. Easily done by not showing up in public all the time, but I guess the blonde hair seemed easier.
I think he's guilty. I think the prosecution had a weak case (from what the public knows) and thought the jury may come back with not guilty.
I'd be interested to know what the hang up in the jury room was. Did some want not guilty, or was it over a dispute of 1st or 2nd degree murder? It does seem to add credibility to an appeal, which would have happened anyway. First reports are of a possible hung jury, two from the jury are replaced, then we suddenly have a verdict.
Life in prison.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 11/15/04 - 20:42 Post subject:
| genie wrote: |
...But I don't want to have to pay for it, so I am still torn. I'm just glad they found him guilty though, at least that's a start. |
I understand the feeling that we don't want to pay for his miserable ass. But we're going to pay for it, whether he's in jail or whether he's in jail on Death Row and gets unlimited appeals. Depending on how long it goes, the latter could be more expensive.
One way to look at it: don't give him an extra dollar--make that POS live out his days in a hell he brought on all by himself. If you're into revenge (not you specifically Genie but you gentle reader), it's a lot more satisfying to have him live and suffer then die and not suffer. Some say Timothy McVeigh got off way too easy.
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Cappy
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Posted: 11/15/04 - 20:44 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | One way to look at it: don't give him an extra dollar--make that POS live out his days in a hell he brought on all by himself. If you're into revenge (not you specifically Genie but you gentle reader), it's a lot more satisfying to have him live and suffer then die and not suffer. Some say Timothy McVeigh got off way too easy. |
That is exactly why I want him to get life without any chance of parole.
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kristin31
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Posted: 11/15/04 - 22:12 Post subject:
I don't believe in the death penalty, period, but while I think personally, based on opinion, that this SHPOS is guilty as can be, I don't understand how they were able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I think he did it, and should be punished, I just don't understand how circumstantial evidence proved it. That bothers me.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 11/15/04 - 22:39 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: | | I don't understand how they were able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I think he did it, and should be punished, I just don't understand how circumstantial evidence proved it. That bothers me. |
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 09:22 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: | | I think he did it, and should be punished, I just don't understand how circumstantial evidence proved it. That bothers me. |
That is interesting that you said this...because I was saying the exact same thing to a friend of mine last night. This friend happens to be the ex-Deputy Police Commissioner for the City of Philadelphia, so I tend to think he knows what he is talking about. He said that often times, circumstantial evidence can be much more powerful in determining a case than actual hard evidence. Not to be off topic, but what do you all think? Ms. Go?
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elkid
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 10:18 Post subject:
Wow, Ben Affleck's in prison? 
I was very surprised at the verdict. Reasonable doubt was everywhere, and though the crime was heinous, I feel he was tried before he got into court.
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genie
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 11:34 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
I understand the feeling that we don't want to pay for his miserable ass. But we're going to pay for it, whether he's in jail or whether he's in jail on Death Row and gets unlimited appeals. Depending on how long it goes, the latter could be more expensive.
One way to look at it: don't give him an extra dollar--make that POS live out his days in a hell he brought on all by himself. If you're into revenge (not you specifically Genie but you gentle reader), it's a lot more satisfying to have him live and suffer then die and not suffer. Some say Timothy McVeigh got off way too easy. |
That's definitely a more palatable way to look at having to pay to keep him in prison for life, and pretty much the reason why I am torn. Life in prison as a known child murderer and "pretty-faced white boy" could obviously be way more hellish for him than a quick, painless death. Thanks for the perspective, Go.
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genie
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 11:41 Post subject:
I tried to post this earlier but it didn't take.....debug errors.
I like that POV on not so much paying for him but seeing to it that instead of a quick "easy" death, he gets a lifetime of well deserved hell. That makes the tax dollars thing a lot more palatable. Thanks for the different perspective, Go.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 11:57 Post subject:
I agree with you all that publicity and circumstantial evidence help make up a juror's mind but I'm not sure what the solution is.
Interestingly, I've been reading about the Bernie Goetz case for my crim law class. For those of you younger than 25 or so, Bernie Goetz was on the subway in NYC when 1 of 4 black youths approached him and said either "Give me some money" or "Give me five dollars." In response to this, Goetz took out his unregistered gun and shot each of them. The one he missed hitting, he shot again, severing the spinal cord. The jury decided he was guilty of using an unregistered firearm, but was acquitted of attempted murder. In his statement Goetz said that he said, before shooting again at the one he'd missed, "Here's another." He also said if he'd been "more in control of himself" he'd have held the gun to the boy's forehead and pulled the trigger again and again.
OK, so this guy was a veritable nutter. And the jury didn't convict him. Because it was a particularly dangerous-feeling time and I believe what the jury was doing was paying more attention to issues like racism and vulnerability toward crime then applying actual law. And I believe it was Alan Dershowitz who noted that in this case, law wasn't addressing whatever the people had perceived as important.
So I don't see the Peterson case as all that different than the Goetz case, in terms of how a jury comes to its decisions.
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airehead
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 13:15 Post subject:
All I am is glad he is off the street one way or another. I refuse to speculate on the innocence or lack thereof of his girlfriend, but the guy is a master conman and would hurt many more people if set free.
I think the fact that he could tell so many lies in such a short span about so many important things helped sway the jury. An affair doesn't equate to murder, but some of the lies sure were telling, chilling even.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 11/16/04 - 14:07 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | | All I am is glad he is off the street one way or another. I refuse to speculate on the innocence or lack thereof of his girlfriend, but the guy is a master conman and would hurt many more people if set free. |
You are speculating here, in a big way. Just because he is an admitted liar that likes porn and blonde hair dye, doesn't make him a murder. You state as much below...
| airehead wrote: | | I think the fact that he could tell so many lies in such a short span about so many important things helped sway the jury. An affair doesn't equate to murder, but some of the lies sure were telling, chilling even. |
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