Should she be suspended from school?
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airehead
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 Posted: 08/29/05 - 21:28 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | airehead wrote: | | Boy, I'm glad Jesus didn't suspend me for all the mistakes I have made--and continue to make. |
Jesus called. He wants to know who told you that you could come of of time-out. |
Um, that red dude that sits on my shoulder. He said you said it was ok.
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monk25
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 21:39 Post subject:
Good lord! If what she said could get her suspended, I would have been burned at the stake! (I have older siblings and learned some pretty salty language at a very young age).
I am all for strict discipline, but goodness, she is 6! I would sit the principal down and explain that my daughter knows nothing about sex, that she is six ,and that it would be dealt with at home.
What's next, no dancing at some book burning? Sheesh!
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 21:48 Post subject:
I will add my comments to this later when I have time. I'm disgusted with this decision and the poor judgement that the teacher...principal have made. It is over the top. I don't get how they can do this to such a young child like this, especially if she's never gotten into trouble before.
More later.
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 22:13 Post subject:
| nolefan85 wrote: | if she's never gotten into trouble before.
More later. |
I never said that, and we were not blind to what is appropriate or inappropriate behavior. I am most certainly not condoning her behavior and agree she should have been punished. The punishment, however, has been harsh for her age and offenses.
There is a policy of 4 trips to the office and the 5th you are suspended. Her first three visits to the office at the beginning of last year (under a different principal) were ALL for talking out of turn in class. Her 4th offense was talking in the lunch line and punching the arm of the person in the lunch line who tattled on her. Her 5th was the next day for punching the arm of another student who was talking in the lunch line and she wanted them to be quiet, 1st suspension.
Following suspensions: One they were playing Demons and Christians on the playground and my daughter was on Satan's team and she was praising/belittling the Christians so the Christians could win. The same little girl tattled that the girlie said all hail the devil. It's their version of good vs. evil. If they had been playing cops and robbers and she killed the cops, they wouldn't have suspended her. The school didn't see it that way.
She once said to another student "ohhh, I'm gonna kill you". She got suspended, zero tolerance for violence of any type. It was a verbal communicated threat...we agreed on that one.
Another time she was being forcibly held by another boy while playing tag and he wouldn't let go after she had asked him several times. She finally kicked him to make him release her and got the family jewels. She was suspended, he didn't even get in trouble, he was the victim. We tried to argue self-defense, but they didn't agree either.
Today, after a long talk with a woman in the superintendent’s office (who is out of town) we ended up talking with the principal about how the situation should have been handled. He admitted to suspending her today because of her last year's behavior, and she really should have been on probation but he didn't tell (I was THIS CLOSE to quoting Animal House). He also admitted they just can't have children like her in their school.
We pulled her out immediately. She’ll be starting a new school by the end of the week.
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 22:30 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | | We pulled her out immediately. She’ll be starting a new school by the end of the week. |
Good, for you and her. I'm a Christian and I went to some strict schools growing up but that school sounds scary (Demons v. Christians????  ), but that aside, sounds like it wasn't a good fit for her learning and social styles anyway.
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 22:30 Post subject:
Hoo-ray. I think you are making a good decision.
I can't imagine how hard it is to be a kid today. We seem to bogg down childhood with adult concerns. Zero tolerance is a bunch of tripe. You would think that there must be some common sense somewhere in academia, but apparently teachers and administrators are incapable at looking at things on a case by case basis.
I would be in prison by todays standards, and I turned out somewhat ok
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 22:34 Post subject:
| monk25 wrote: | | Zero tolerance is a bunch of tripe. |
I agree. Its a convenient way for administrators to do nothing while appearing to address a problem. Zero tolerance at higher education levels is even worse, particularly in situations of misunderstandings or false accusations. Research the situation? Penalize appropriately? NO! We're "setting an example" (for whom? about what?) by expelling the child upon first suspiscion. That will show the other kids...that authority is full of hot air...  I wrote a paper about this recently...
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 23:07 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: |
Today, after a long talk with a woman in the superintendent’s office (who is out of town) we ended up talking with the principal about how the situation should have been handled. He admitted to suspending her today because of her last year's behavior, and she really should have been on probation but he didn't tell (I was THIS CLOSE to quoting Animal House). He also admitted they just can't have children like her in their school.
We pulled her out immediately. She’ll be starting a new school by the end of the week. |
whats that supposed to mean?
"like her"? a rambunctious 6 year old? ive seen way worse kids out there. from what you tell us here, id say the girlie seems like a pretty darn good kid overall.
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airehead
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Posted: 08/29/05 - 23:36 Post subject:
I think this is a HUGE blessing in disguise. What they are raising at that school are Stepford kids. Hellascary.
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Posted: 08/30/05 - 03:40 Post subject:
Pulling her out is a good decision. Hopefully the new school will be better for her
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Posted: 08/30/05 - 06:22 Post subject:
wow
i'm glad you switched schools. so, she's exuberant; she doesn't belong in a school that doesn't permit TALKING in the lunch line.
this school seems to operate on the basis of fear and shame. once you're schooled in these, it might be difficult, if not impossible, for a kid to lose those, what i'd term, destructive feelings. internalizing all that fear and shame seems like it would have a negative effect on the kid's overall emotional growth and development, but to each his own as far as discipline philosophies go, this is not at all my style and i am a practicing Christian. it's over the top, most everything i read is to me.
i wish her well in her new surroundings, she seems like she needs outlets for her normal 6 y.o. expressions..... i'd just keep talking with her and ....go girlie go!
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Posted: 08/30/05 - 06:26 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | Ms. Jenn wrote: | | We pulled her out immediately. She’ll be starting a new school by the end of the week. |
Good, for you and her. I'm a Christian and I went to some strict schools growing up but that school sounds scary (Demons v. Christians???? ), but that aside, sounds like it wasn't a good fit for her learning and social styles anyway. |
The kids came up with this game on their own. One group of kids were the "Christians" and another group was a group of devil worshippers trying to get the Christians over to their side. Your basic good vs. evil game, but with different characters.
I was just hurt and angry to find out the principal and those who agree with him are the sterotypical Christians that really aren't afterall. If you aren't exactly like them, surface perfect, you aren't welcome. If you aren't a sinless sinner, they don't want you in their school/church. You aren't good enough. What a terrible message to send. ESPECIALLY, to our youth.
One main job of Christians throughout the world is to help TEACH everyone how to be more authentic. Authenticity is an everyday decision and a struggle for those not yet at the age of accountability or a new convert. It is our duty to help correct their inappropriate behaviors-show them the way, but it is most certainly not our job to judge others nor tell them they are not welcome (in the scope of what has happened already-other inappropriate activities is a different thread).
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Posted: 08/30/05 - 06:49 Post subject:
They don't want six year olds like her in their school?
Oh for the love of God! (because they clearly don't)
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Posted: 08/30/05 - 07:59 Post subject:
I'm very happy for you and your little one you are out of that school.
Secret probation ? Zero tolerance ? One cuss word expulsions ? Talking at lunch line ? That's not a school its a prison.
Find a school that meets your critera and watch your child blossom.
PS: Anytime I hear of "christians" (I have purpousely not capitalized the word) like that, I think back on the Gospel where Jesus talks about "whitewashed sepulchers". Mark my words that school is ripe for an implosion.
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Posted: 08/30/05 - 08:51 Post subject:
pulling her out is the for the best. She has been labeled and they were looking for offenses. I had the same problem with my son in a public Kindergarten. His teacher almost had me convinced that he was evil and I just couldn't see it (and I was at the school alot). One day the children were in a circle and one boy was passing out papers around the circle, when he handed my son his paper, my son (out of joy) hugged his legs. The teacher looked at me and said "you see. you see that? that is aggression".
I was convinced I gave birth to the devil's spawn, until one day I joined my son for lunch. The kids were to eat lunch and then sit on the bleachers in the gym until the teacher came out of the lunchroom and got them. I had my son go sit in the bleachers, while I took both our trays to the trash bin. When I turned around I saw "Noah" running around and as he zoomed past my son, he tripped over my son's feet". Noah is screaming "andrew tripped me" as the teacher is coming out of the breakroom. She is screaming "andrew what did you do?" He says "I didn't mean it". I walk in closer. She looks at me and say "well, did you see that?" I respond, "Yes, the entire thing. Andrew doesn't mean that he didn't 'mean' to do it. He means he didn't do it. He was sitting like he was supposed to"
Well, her face couldn't have been any redder, but there were other adults that saw it. Thank goodness it was almost the end of the year, his daily report was filled each day with drivel "he ran to the front of the line" "he turned around in line today" "he ran on the playground" "he talked walking to the lunchroom". My husband and I started to make jokes about "what did she find today". Of course, she threatened me with "I'm not sure if he's ready for 1st grade". My husband had a visit and simply said "you'll pass him".
We moved and he attended 1st grade at a different school. What a difference!!!!! His teacher had to re-teach me things about my son, mainly that all children are good if you give them a chance.
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