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HYPERASHEL
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 Posted: 02/03/06 - 10:44 Post subject: Should God be allowed to die?
I know that name would get some attention here.
the topic here is...Do we really need a god? if so why? if not why not?
my stance. NO, why? because so many deaths have been "justified" by God. While i beleive in somethin out ther in the Cosmos smarter, greater than I I don't give it diety status.
while you may argue that "GOD" creates good by the charities that get to be created, do we really need a god for charity? the Bhuddist have charities yet no god. Buddha is not revered as a god but as an enlightened person that saw the poverty and suffering of his lands, gave up vast riches and went into philosophy. so charity does not need a god
does a god cause peace? well i think not. I'd be willing to bet that religion has been the #1 unnatural killer in man's history. The three major religion beleive in the same God but yet can't get along due to petty differences in interpretation. even within the same religion there are wars/deaths. the Muslim Faith is a great example of present day and the inquisition was Christianity's "shining" example. so answer NO, a god does not create peace.
people see religion as a crutch in my opinion. it either gives them hope for that after this miserable life something better can await them. it gives them laws and restrictions to live by that they are too weak to live by without a good reason. "oh i'd love a drink, but it's against my religion." so what say, "No thank you, i don't drink." and be done with it.
as soon as we as a species can put religion past us and allow us to work together for a common good instead of for "gods" and interpretations i think the world would be a better place.
ok, let the debate begin.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:04 Post subject:
The Bible is the most accurate book in terms of geography, people, events, etc that we have from the antiquities. Researchers from the Smithsonian to the National Geographic Society have turned to it time and time again to find places and names. There is no single document containing an accurate recording of events for the time periods recorded as the Bible.
You can take a stance of it being fiction or tall tales or imagination, but reality is, even the most scientific, aethistic minds of our time use the Bible as the high water line for historical data.
So if the people and places of the Bible are completely accurate, then it's by no stretch of the imagination to take yourself to believing the events of the Bible are fact. But that step is called 'faith'.
Chuck, I can't explain faith to you. It's something that is fed, tested and unremoveable. You certainly have faith in some things of this world. Everyone has some kind of faith whether they admit it or not. And the choice of putting my faith in God and a religion called Christianity is a choice that is the cornerstone of this country and so many others of this world. Freedom of religion, freedom of faith, religious liberty is perhaps the single biggest reason the USA exists as it does. Moving "past" religion is just not going to happen. In fact, I would say as a country, the people are becoming more steadfast in their religions. The communication superhighway brings study material to people's fingertips giving them Biblical (of wherever their faith is) answers in the blink of an eye. The conservative shift, I fully believe, is a reaction to several decades of decadence leaving people wanting, needing and demanding lives with more purpose. And a higher purpose for many, dare I say most, is found in a religion.
The USA has some 2600 organized faiths/denominations. Until you've taken the time to examine each of them, discarding them all as 'crutches', is well, a crutch in itself to turning a blind eye to the motivation and hope of prolly 9 outta 10 people in your community, your family, your country.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:11 Post subject:
Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:14 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
Friday NewsFlash: I agree with CB on this one!
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:15 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
I won't delve into German or Russian history, but there's more than enough examples of times where religion was banished. The bad coming from going down that road seems a whole lot worse than 'divisiveness'.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:17 Post subject:
JrJo, in regards to accuracy you are right. i love watching how something from the Bible gets proven, I just watched a special on Sodom and Gomorah earlier this week.
But just because the factual stuff is proven does not make the phlosphical points right. Lightnig bolts flew from the sky, but that does not mean Zeus threw them. Teeth from under my pillow disappeared but that does not mean a little fairy came and collected it.
Religous faith is something i had as a child, before i formed my own thoughts i guess. I had faith in many things but i was sheltered then in a cacoon of similiar faith. i feel my eyes were opened after i left my cacoon of faith and had a better understanding of the world itself. My point is not against faith. it's against assigning a being a domintaing role.
I have faith and there are faiths that are just philosophies, no name or face need being assigned.
now i can't say i've studied all 2600 faiths, i truly have stidied faiths. the is a guy in the park that was a philosohy major and he and i can discuss these points in depth. it turns out we have even read the same books. my point in this paragraph is that my initial post is from an educated opinion.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:18 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
I won't delve into German or Russian history, but there's more than enough examples of times where religion was banished. The bad coming from going down that road seems a whole lot worse than 'divisiveness'. |
Banished doesn't mean it went away.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:18 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | The Bible is the most accurate book in terms of geography, people, events, etc that we have from the antiquities. Researchers from the Smithsonian to the National Geographic Society have turned to it time and time again to find places and names. There is no single document containing an accurate recording of events for the time periods recorded as the Bible.
You can take a stance of it being fiction or tall tales or imagination, but reality is, even the most scientific, aethistic minds of our time use the Bible as the high water line for historical data.
So if the people and places of the Bible are completely accurate, then it's by no stretch of the imagination to take yourself to believing the events of the Bible are fact. But that step is called 'faith'.
Chuck, I can't explain faith to you. It's something that is fed, tested and unremoveable. You certainly have faith in some things of this world. Everyone has some kind of faith whether they admit it or not. And the choice of putting my faith in God and a religion called Christianity is a choice that is the cornerstone of this country and so many others of this world. Freedom of religion, freedom of faith, religious liberty is perhaps the single biggest reason the USA exists as it does. Moving "past" religion is just not going to happen. In fact, I would say as a country, the people are becoming more steadfast in their religions. The communication superhighway brings study material to people's fingertips giving them Biblical (of wherever their faith is) answers in the blink of an eye. The conservative shift, I fully believe, is a reaction to several decades of decadence leaving people wanting, needing and demanding lives with more purpose. And a higher purpose for many, dare I say most, is found in a religion.
The USA has some 2600 organized faiths/denominations. Until you've taken the time to examine each of them, discarding them all as 'crutches', is well, a crutch in itself to turning a blind eye to the motivation and hope of prolly 9 outta 10 people in your community, your family, your country.
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But Judaism goes further back than Christianity and many of those "facts" will be agreed by both religions, yet I really don't see Christians giving Jews the head nod as being there first or even that Judaism and Christianity are more alike based on historical facts than different. Christians are more bent on standing on their difference(s). It really bugs me 
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:19 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
I won't delve into German or Russian history, but there's more than enough examples of times where religion was banished. The bad coming from going down that road seems a whole lot worse than 'divisiveness'. |
Banished doesn't mean it went away. |
How else do you make something 'go away'?
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:20 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
Friday NewsFlash: I agree with CB on this one! |
Nows the time to learn how to do one of those signature things. 
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:21 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
I won't delve into German or Russian history, but there's more than enough examples of times where religion was banished. The bad coming from going down that road seems a whole lot worse than 'divisiveness'. |
Banished doesn't mean it went away. |
How else do you make something 'go away'? |
Did you read my first post? I said religion never would go away.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:21 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
missed this. Big fat one!!!!! I hate the divisiveness of organized religion.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:22 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | The Bible is the most accurate book in terms of geography, people, events, etc that we have from the antiquities. Researchers from the Smithsonian to the National Geographic Society have turned to it time and time again to find places and names. There is no single document containing an accurate recording of events for the time periods recorded as the Bible.
You can take a stance of it being fiction or tall tales or imagination, but reality is, even the most scientific, aethistic minds of our time use the Bible as the high water line for historical data.
So if the people and places of the Bible are completely accurate, then it's by no stretch of the imagination to take yourself to believing the events of the Bible are fact. But that step is called 'faith'.
Chuck, I can't explain faith to you. It's something that is fed, tested and unremoveable. You certainly have faith in some things of this world. Everyone has some kind of faith whether they admit it or not. And the choice of putting my faith in God and a religion called Christianity is a choice that is the cornerstone of this country and so many others of this world. Freedom of religion, freedom of faith, religious liberty is perhaps the single biggest reason the USA exists as it does. Moving "past" religion is just not going to happen. In fact, I would say as a country, the people are becoming more steadfast in their religions. The communication superhighway brings study material to people's fingertips giving them Biblical (of wherever their faith is) answers in the blink of an eye. The conservative shift, I fully believe, is a reaction to several decades of decadence leaving people wanting, needing and demanding lives with more purpose. And a higher purpose for many, dare I say most, is found in a religion.
The USA has some 2600 organized faiths/denominations. Until you've taken the time to examine each of them, discarding them all as 'crutches', is well, a crutch in itself to turning a blind eye to the motivation and hope of prolly 9 outta 10 people in your community, your family, your country.
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But Judaism goes further back than Christianity and many of those "facts" will be agreed by both religions, yet I really don't see Christians giving Jews the head nod as being there first or even that Judaism and Christianity are more alike based on historical facts than different. Christians are more bent on standing on their difference(s). It really bugs me |
Really?.. of course I listen to the teachings of my own church of choice, but we do acknowledge just what you're saying about Judeaism 
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:25 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
I won't delve into German or Russian history, but there's more than enough examples of times where religion was banished. The bad coming from going down that road seems a whole lot worse than 'divisiveness'. |
Banished doesn't mean it went away. |
How else do you make something 'go away'? |
i think CB point is like prohibition, alcohol was banished but it never went away. in fact it was unchecked, un-regulated and caused even more problems.
Christianity was banished by the Romans, but as we can see, it didn't go away.
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Posted: 02/03/06 - 11:27 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | Religion will never die. People need it; in good ways and bad. Too bad there isn't a way to keep the goods things it offers and be done with the divisiveness that often accompanies it. |
I won't delve into German or Russian history, but there's more than enough examples of times where religion was banished. The bad coming from going down that road seems a whole lot worse than 'divisiveness'. |
Banished doesn't mean it went away. |
How else do you make something 'go away'? |
Did you read my first post? I said religion never would go away. |
So court rulings, congressional laws and constitutional amendments aren't worth fighting for? Is the anti-religious movement calling it quits?? We can bring the nativity scene back to the Capitol? 
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