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camelia bedelia
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 Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:51 Post subject: Should Bush's military record be an issue
during the election?
I know whether or not Kerry's military record is relevent has been discussed at length, but what about the President's record? Is his suspension from the Texas Air National Guard (and the supposed reasons for it) pertinent now?
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elkid
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:53 Post subject:
Maybe. Maybe not. I'll just wait until this reaches Page 7 to decide.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:54 Post subject:
Certainly not. There is so little evidence that Bush actually has a military record, so why should it be an issue.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:55 Post subject:
Personally, I don't think either of them should really be an issue. What are you gonna do NOW and in the next four years is what I want to know, and so far Kerry's managed to avoid that question by focusing on his military service, and I suspect he'll avoid it further by attacking Bush's. I think it's funny how this comes up now toward the end of the election after he's been called several times on his harping on his military record instead of laying out his game plan.
SPEAK TO THE ISSUES DAMMIT, OR GET OFF THE FREAKIN STAGE!!
(that was meant for the candidates CB, not you  )
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:58 Post subject:
In both cases, if it is an issue, we have to take into context how long ago it was, and what's happened since. I tend to believe that neither canidate did anything inappropriate (as far as concealing facts). I give Kerry credit for his service, and am not thrilled about his actions afterwards. Will it cause me to not vote for him. Absolutely not. I'm not nuts about the fact Bush requested a transfer to a nonflying unit so he could work on a political campaign. (as the memo surfacing today seems to verify) At least Kerry went. Once again though, it wouldn't stop me from voting for him.
Frankly, it this is the only issue of their campaigns, we're in trouble! It would be nice for the news to report on some other aspect.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 12:58 Post subject:
Neither candidate military records matter to me. What matter's to me is how they plan to move the country forward.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:08 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | Neither candidate military records matter to me. What matter's to me is how they plan to move the country forward. |
Like Kat, i respect Kerry's service and respect his right to protest a war that he felt was wrong after the fact. But his ability to lead a swift boat 20+ years ago does not have much bearing (to me) to how he may be able to lead a country. Same with Bush's record. What can they do for the country now?
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:14 Post subject:
I don't think either candidate's military record should have a bearing on the election. Kerry chose to make it an issue and it came back and bit him on the ass. That subject should be dropped by both sides. Bush has never tried to tout his record as a reason he should be president. Kerry's record is admirable in that he went to 'Nam and did his tour. Some of the shenanigans that went on in his unit might not have been so admirable but it was 30 years ago and I doubt it has any bearing on his ability (or inability) to lead this country.
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genie
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:15 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: | | Cappy wrote: | | Neither candidate military records matter to me. What matter's to me is how they plan to move the country forward. |
Like Kat, i respect Kerry's service and respect his right to protest a war that he felt was wrong after the fact. But his ability to lead a swift boat 20+ years ago does not have much bearing (to me) to how he may be able to lead a country. Same with Bush's record. What can they do for the country now? |
And along those same lines, I don't give a rat's patootie whether they inhaled in college either. I'm not the same person I was when I was 21 just a few short years ago and I bet a lot of y'all aren't either. People do stupid things in college.....unless they're still doing them, that isn't relevant either, IMHO. But that kind of nonsense comes up a lot in campaigns. Not so much in this one (yet) but in the past it has.
Now quit hogging the beer bong and let's get this discussion moving....what were we talking about again? 
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:16 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | I don't think either candidate's military record should have a bearing on the election. |
If they were a 4 star general, or a highly decorated vet, would you think differently because of the obvious display of leadership or courage? Curious.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:17 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: | | Cappy wrote: | | Neither candidate military records matter to me. What matter's to me is how they plan to move the country forward. |
Like Kat, i respect Kerry's service and respect his right to protest a war that he felt was wrong after the fact. But his ability to lead a swift boat 20+ years ago does not have much bearing (to me) to how he may be able to lead a country. Same with Bush's record. What can they do for the country now? |
I agree that whether or not Bush was a good pilot is irrelevant. But, to me, whether or not he skipped out on service he had sworn to do, used influence from above to cover it up and then lied about it does say a lot about what kind of person he is and what kind leader he might be.
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:18 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | | Pug wrote: | | Cappy wrote: | | Neither candidate military records matter to me. What matter's to me is how they plan to move the country forward. |
Like Kat, i respect Kerry's service and respect his right to protest a war that he felt was wrong after the fact. But his ability to lead a swift boat 20+ years ago does not have much bearing (to me) to how he may be able to lead a country. Same with Bush's record. What can they do for the country now? |
And along those same lines, I don't give a rat's patootie whether they inhaled in college either. I'm not the same person I was when I was 21 just a few short decades ago and I bet a lot of y'all aren't either. People do stupid things in college.....unless they're still doing them, that isn't relevant either, IMHO. But that kind of nonsense comes up a lot in campaigns. Not so much in this one (yet) but in the past it has.
Now quit hogging the beer bong and let's get this discussion moving....what were we talking about again? |
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:19 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | genie wrote: | | Pug wrote: | | Cappy wrote: | | Neither candidate military records matter to me. What matter's to me is how they plan to move the country forward. |
Like Kat, i respect Kerry's service and respect his right to protest a war that he felt was wrong after the fact. But his ability to lead a swift boat 20+ years ago does not have much bearing (to me) to how he may be able to lead a country. Same with Bush's record. What can they do for the country now? |
And along those same lines, I don't give a rat's patootie whether they inhaled in college either. I'm not the same person I was when I was 21 just a few short decades ago and I bet a lot of y'all aren't either. People do stupid things in college.....unless they're still doing them, that isn't relevant either, IMHO. But that kind of nonsense comes up a lot in campaigns. Not so much in this one (yet) but in the past it has.
Now quit hogging the beer bong and let's get this discussion moving....what were we talking about again? |
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:21 Post subject:
Hey gang, what's this "election" thingy everyone keeps talking about, huh?
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robp
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Posted: 09/09/04 - 13:21 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | | robp wrote: | | I don't think either candidate's military record should have a bearing on the election. |
If they were a 4 star general, or a highly decorated vet, would you think differently because of the obvious display of leadership or courage? Curious. |
Probably. Especially if it was an obvious display of leadership. Being the captain of a small boat doesn't qualify in my book.
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