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elkid
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 Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:20 Post subject: September 11 call transcripts released
Are you disturbed by this, or not? Sensationalism or history?
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:25 Post subject: Re: September 11 call transcripts released
| elkid wrote: | | Are you disturbed by this, or not? Sensationalism or history? |
Both.
It unnerves me. I doubt I'll listen to them or read them.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:28 Post subject:
They are a matter of public record. If you don't want to listen to them don't. I think from an Emergency Services standpoint there could be some lessons learned. I have heard some of the FDNY radio tapes, very sad, to hear some guys saying goodbye to their families.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:30 Post subject:
I hear that type of stuff for 14 years now. I still have dreams about stuff I have heard.
History-no
sensalalism-no
for the general public-no. For what purpose does it serve. Rarely are radio tapes released any way.
for training of emerg people-absolutely there is some good stuff to be learned and radios and communication .
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:35 Post subject:
Not really sure how I feel about it. I do think that transcripts may be better than the actual tapes if they feel something had to be released. How awful it is to just read what was said; cannot imagine how much worse it would be to hear the fear and terror in people's voices as they're talking while hell is happening all around them. Those poor people. 
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:47 Post subject:
| brie k wrote: | | Not really sure how I feel about it. I do think that transcripts may be better than the actual tapes if they feel something had to be released. How awful it is to just read what was said; cannot imagine how much worse it would be to hear the fear and terror in people's voices as they're talking while hell is happening all around them. Those poor people. |
the transcripts are dry and impersonal...hearing the tapes...tells it all.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 09:48 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | They are a matter of public record. If you don't want to listen to them don't. I think from an Emergency Services standpoint there could be some lessons learned. I have heard some of the FDNY radio tapes, very sad, to hear some guys saying goodbye to their families. |
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 10:21 Post subject:
I don't think I can listen to them. I just ....can't.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 10:24 Post subject:
It reminds me of how deeply saddened I am by it all. It still greatly bothers me that we lost so many important lives and that many people are still mourning the loss of the their loved ones. There's not a day where I don't think of these people and pray for them.
I am undecided as to whether the transcripts should have been released. I'm sure that it is very painful for the families; however, 9/11 must not be forgotten. It never will be. Reading/hearing the last words of our heros are huge reminders that they must not be forgotten.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 10:43 Post subject:
I, for one, am glad they are being released. We should never, ever forget that our country was savagely assaulted and brutalized. If releasing those transcripts accomplishes that, then their job is done.
I feel we need to remember so we remain vigilant and strong. Not so hatred burns in our souls. You can let the hate go but never, ever forget the desecration of our beloved nation.
I will not read them. They are entirely too painful--and I don't want to intrude on others' misery and pain in those horrible hours. I am certain though that they will be cathartic to some, and we should grant them that closure.
I know if I lost someone in 9/11 I would be poring over those for one brief mention of my loved one's name.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 11:09 Post subject:
I don't think anyone is going to forget 9-11. But it kind of irks me to always see the spin on things like this "to remember". Yes we need to remember, but we also need to get on with life. Create the memorial. Americans will visit for decades to come and pay respects.
Yes NYC is tremendous, we all know it. But it's not the center of the universe. Putting 9-11 continually in the headlines isn't the way to heal. And when politicians use 9-11 for things like "we need 10 million dollars to clean up snow because 9-11 left us devastated" I really question the motives behind asking us "to remember".
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 11:20 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | I don't think anyone is going to forget 9-11. But it kind of irks me to always see the spin on things like this "to remember". Yes we need to remember, but we also need to get on with life. Create the memorial. Americans will visit for decades to come and pay respects.
Yes NYC is tremendous, we all know it. But it's not the center of the universe. Putting 9-11 continually in the headlines isn't the way to heal. And when politicians use 9-11 for things like "we need 10 million dollars to clean up snow because 9-11 left us devastated" I really question the motives behind asking us "to remember". |
Sorry I irked you. I don't see NYC as the center of the universe but part of my beloved homeland. I would feel the same way if Podunk, Idaho had been so savagely brutalized.
I just don't want to see complacency. And yes, people tend to brush aside the unpleasant memories. But, these things need to be taught to generations who weren't there. We don't want to repeat history. We don't want to become complacent and arrogant that these things can't happen to us again.
I am angered at "capitalizing illegitimately" from this event. I don't like the television coverage. In fact, I watched it happen once, then I shut the tv off. I didn't watch it for days.
I think people are just trying to impart the "importance" of what happened, not keep it alive or to keep from living.
Sorry if it offended you.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 12:18 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | I think people are just trying to impart the "importance" of what happened, not keep it alive or to keep from living.
Sorry if it offended you. |
Wasn't referring to your post at all! Just the never-ending story. 9-11 will live in everyone's mind just as Pearl Harbor does.
Granted the personal stories make great human interest pieces and the emotion is as high as it gets, to keep "history from repeating itself" what really needs to be examined is how Bin Laden was able to terrorize time, time and time again without consequences. Yes hindsight is 20/20 and Bush/Blair are under the microscope on Iraq right now because of hindsight, but where's the public outcry on so many more lives lost in a long string of Bin Laden initiated acts? We seem to prefer to wave a flag and hug each other instead of focusing the energy into what went wrong over the last 10 years that this guy was able to do this.
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Posted: 08/29/03 - 12:26 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | airehead wrote: | I think people are just trying to impart the "importance" of what happened, not keep it alive or to keep from living.
Sorry if it offended you. |
Wasn't referring to your post at all! Just the never-ending story. 9-11 will live in everyone's mind just as Pearl Harbor does.
Granted the personal stories make great human interest pieces and the emotion is as high as it gets, to keep "history from repeating itself" what really needs to be examined is how Bin Laden was able to terrorize time, time and time again without consequences. Yes hindsight is 20/20 and Bush/Blair are under the microscope on Iraq right now because of hindsight, but where's the public outcry on so many more lives lost in a long string of Bin Laden initiated acts? We seem to prefer to wave a flag and hug each other instead of focusing the energy into what went wrong over the last 10 years that this guy was able to do this. |
You are 100% correct. This is a constant pet-peeve of mine. I am not a flag-waving-huggy type (good descriptor, though!) I am a "stay-off-of-my land-if-you-intend-me-harm-I-am-going-to-go-over-what-happened-until-I- can-figure-out-how-to-keep-you-from-doing-it-to-me-again"type. I don't want to remember it for memory sake I want it to be remembered so it doesn't happen to anyone again.
Personally, I think the constant TV coverage of any major world event trivializes and degrades it. Seeing the towers falling that one time is forever etched in my mind. I think constant coverage also tends to desensetize and numb us.
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