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PostPosted: 07/12/04 - 13:18    Post subject: Running to burn fat - getting conflicting advice
At the moment, I do a simple 30 minute interval run before my workout (which I've mentioned in another thread), my aim is simply to lose a bit of flab (i'm not majorly fat, i'm just trying to loose the love handles Wink).

Anyway, the people in the bodybuilding forums tell me that the best way for this is to do short, high-intensity runs, whereas the people on this forum (i think!) are saying that longer, lower-intensity runs would be more beneficial.

Can someone put me straight please.. ? Thanks Very Happy

(At the moment I am doing 1m run, 1m walk for 30mins, then 30 mins steady pace on the bike, 5 days a week)
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PostPosted: 07/12/04 - 13:32    Post subject: Re: Running to burn fat - getting conflicting advice
Caracal wrote:
At the moment, I do a simple 30 minute interval run before my workout (which I've mentioned in another thread), my aim is simply to lose a bit of flab (i'm not majorly fat, i'm just trying to loose the love handles Wink).

Anyway, the people in the bodybuilding forums tell me that the best way for this is to do short, high-intensity runs, whereas the people on this forum (i think!) are saying that longer, lower-intensity runs would be more beneficial.
Can someone put me straight please.. ? Thanks Very Happy

(At the moment I am doing 1m run, 1m walk for 30mins, then 30 mins steady pace on the bike, 5 days a week)


Here is the deal....

Short anaerobic bursts burn and use immediate energy sources. ie glucose and glycogen. When you use these sugars anaerobically you are not getting the most use of the ATP production. I won't go into the chemistry involved, but you know when you go hard for short distances you tire quicker and your muscles get weaker faster.

When you go slower, aerobic, the body use the stored energy sources as fuel. This does not happen overnight and will not happen in a few weeks. It takes the body along time to learn HOW to use fat as energy. When the body learns that it does not need to burn the glycogen stores, it will start to burn the stored fat and become a more efficient calorie machine.

Long distance runners count on this energy to carry them through the long runs. They cannot count on the 2000 calories of immediate use enrgey to carry them through, they train their bodies to burn the fat. Of course they have very little to burn, so they require a lot of different foods, but thats a different story.

Long, slow, aerobic runs will reduce the fat. Not overnight and not in a few weeks. Months.... and months.

Of course this is all mute if you eat bad in the interim. Any saturated fats and extra calories will immediately replace what you have burned and you will be back at square one.

I hope that helps.

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PostPosted: 07/12/04 - 13:47    Post subject:
The reason for the conflicting advice is the source. Bodybuilders will tell you the best way is to do exercise that will build muscle, and that way when you do more intense, shorter workouts, you'll progressively burn more calories. But here we're all runners - primarily distance runners, so that's what we're going to advise. Both will work, I think it's mostly up to you to decide which you'd rather do.
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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 13:36    Post subject:
i'll agree that the two disciplines of body building and aerobic training clash.

basically put low intensity,49% and less of MHR burns more fat than glycogen/carbohydrates

51% and more burns more glycogen/carbohydrates than fat.

now the cause for the confusion is the more muscle you have the more energy required to fuel it. so.....it will burn more fat even at rest.

if you do not want to "bulk up" and just want to lose fat, stay under 50%
and i'll second the fact it takes time, patience, and perseverance.

good luck
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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 13:45    Post subject:
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now the cause for the confusion is the more muscle you have the more energy required to fuel it. so.....it will burn more fat even at rest.


Thanks Hyper, that's what I was wanting to get at. Then I reread my post and noticed it wasn't even mentioned. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 15:05    Post subject:
MechEngDropout wrote:
Hyper wrote:
now the cause for the confusion is the more muscle you have the more energy required to fuel it. so.....it will burn more fat even at rest.


Thanks Hyper, that's what I was wanting to get at. Then I reread my post and noticed it wasn't even mentioned. Embarassed


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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 15:12    Post subject:
HYPERASHEL wrote:
i'll agree that the two disciplines of body building and aerobic training clash.

basically put low intensity,49% and less of MHR burns more fat than glycogen/carbohydrates

51% and more burns more glycogen/carbohydrates than fat.

now the cause for the confusion is the more muscle you have the more energy required to fuel it. so.....it will burn more fat even at rest.

if you do not want to "bulk up" and just want to lose fat, stay under 50%
and i'll second the fact it takes time, patience, and perseverance.

good luck


Can anyone confirm that there is some truth to this? This doesn't match anything I've ever heard or run across in my studies...
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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 16:48    Post subject:
I'm not sure about the numbers, but in theory it works. I'm not sure about burning fat with more muscle too.

More muscle does burn more energy, but if that muscle goes anaerobic, then it is anaerobic and that definetely does not burn fat.

Exercise that is low HR, and long in duration is the only way to burn fat.

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1998/09sep/hawley.htm

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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 17:48    Post subject:
CoachCraig wrote:
HYPERASHEL wrote:
i'll agree that the two disciplines of body building and aerobic training clash.

basically put low intensity,49% and less of MHR burns more fat than glycogen/carbohydrates

51% and more burns more glycogen/carbohydrates than fat.

now the cause for the confusion is the more muscle you have the more energy required to fuel it. so.....it will burn more fat even at rest.

if you do not want to "bulk up" and just want to lose fat, stay under 50%
and i'll second the fact it takes time, patience, and perseverance.

good luck


Can anyone confirm that there is some truth to this? This doesn't match anything I've ever heard or run across in my studies...


I am pretty sure the graph i have pictured in my head comes from the "Heart Rate Training for the Compleat idiot" but i know i have seen this around for years as well. the reason the "fat burning" zone on the Aerobic Machines is at lower pulse rates.
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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 20:25    Post subject:
A quick check of my sources does indicate that the 50% number where you burn less fat AS A PERCENTAGE then glycogen / carbohydrates may in fact be true. However, this is rather misleading I think. Sorry, I don't have time to go into all the details right now, but as soon as I hear back from some experts, I'll throw in a few ideas on the subject.
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PostPosted: 07/13/04 - 22:24    Post subject:
http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/esource.htm

here's a link i pulled off my home PC. the guy has somesriuos credentials in the UK track & field arena


Intensity and Energy Source
The relationship between exercise intensity (% of your Maximum Heart Rate) and the energy source (carbohydrate and fat) is as follows:

Intensity % MHR % Carbohydrate % Fat
65 - 70 40 60
70 - 75 50 50
75 - 80 65 35
80 - 85 80 20
85 - 90 90 10
90 - 95 95 5
100 100 0


i see were i got the numbers slightly skewed but the premisce of what i was saying is there. 75% intensity is where ilike to keep myself normallyfor the LSD and i just associated it with the 50 percent mea culpa there.
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PostPosted: 07/14/04 - 14:21    Post subject:
I think the bottom line is that the higher the intensity you train at, the faster the rate at which you burn energy. This needs to be sustained for some time in order to run any significant total number of calories. Lower intensity running will take a higher percentage of the calories from fat, although the total amount of fat you may be burning could easily be less since your total energy usage is less. Let's not forget that you don't have to actually burn any fat during exercise to lose fat. Your body can convert energy sources, so it really doesn't matter what source the calories to sustain exercise come from. Simply maximize the calories you burn. This is generally easier accomplished by going longer instead of harder.

A whole different thing happens with burning fat at the end of a marathon. In marathon preparation, the idea is to teach your body to efficiently use fat as a fuel source in order to get you through a long race instead of as a tool to lose weight. Unless you are running quite fast, it is unlikely that your body has enough available glycogen stores to get you through a marathon. When these run out, you need to use fat energy (or eat gel packets) to get you through the later miles. This generally occurs with runs longer than 90 minutes, which is one reason it is critical to do long training runs. You don't need to run in excess of 90 minutes to lose weight, but you do need to run that long to train your body to use fat efficiently as a fuel source.
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PostPosted: 07/14/04 - 16:15    Post subject:
Additionally, the fact that you are at a slower HR allows you to get more ATP production from each energy unit. ie glucose.

At the higher intensity you are getting a net of 2-4 ATP from the cleavage of the glucose, you are getting more ATP from the same glucose when you are able to use the Krebs cycle.

I also agree 100% about the losing weight by running slower statement. The idea of fat buring is to get further with less intake, the amount of fat burned would be much greater if you (I cannot believe I am going to say this) lift weights and gain lean muscle mass.

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PostPosted: 07/19/04 - 18:47    Post subject:
OK, so if i swap my daily 30m interval run, for a 30m constant pace run, would I see faster fat-burning results?

At the moment, i walk at 'level 4' (on the treadmill) for a minute, then crank it up to 'level 8' then alternate between the two, for 30 minutes. I've seen my heart rate drop slightly over the past couple of weeks (LINK: Here). That chart, taken from my watch, is using the 220-age formula, which i know isn't supposed to be the most reliable method of working out your MHR and different zones, but I haven't managed to figure out my exact levels yet :S (My actual rate in those runs goes between 160-190 bpm)

I've also recently started to end my sessions with a 30 minute constant-pace bike ride, i've only been doing this for the past week, and my heart rate seems to average at about 70%. (Link: here). (Average = 145 bpm)

I suppose to begin with, i really need to work out my zones (is the 220-age formula really that inaccurate?). But i'd appreciate any advise and any suggested changes in my cardio work would be greatly appreciated Smile
(Please bare in mind, i'm running to literally lose a bit of flab around my belly, and generally improve my fitness, i'm not currently aiming to run competitively, or for 'speed' Wink)

Thanks everyone!
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Knee pain by running but not by cycling?
Am I wearing the right running shoe?
How many calories do you eat before running?
Your ideal music for running?
Foods and running question
Running with Asthma problem
Do you use running logs?
Frequent running and coffee consumption?
Advice on Trail Running Shoes
Knee pain while running
running long vs. running fast
Running with a hat or bare headed?
Dealing with the heat when running?
Visiting NY: good running stores in Manhattan
What is Ideal weight for running?
Winter running: Pants or Tights?
Cramps when running
Eating before running good or bad?
running and yoga?
thyroid problems and running
Found a new job - No time for running
Thoughts on beer and running
what changes did you see when you first began running?
Terrible pressure on knees when running
Returning to running after a year pause
Running Footwear question
Running with dogs - accidentally
Funny running situations?
Improving my running
running is not my thing. marching band is. but you...
Breast Augmentation and running
Any recommended books on running for women?
when to change running shoes
Light shoes for running?
Foot type and running shoes choice
Your most inspiring moments in running
Help me with my running schedule
Outdoor vs Treadmill running
Running clothes for pregnant women?
Kids' running programs
How safe is running in the dark?
Throw up after running a mile
Carrying water bottle while running?
best running shoes for a heavyweight?
Period running cramps
Thryoid problems and running
Fast Food and running
Inconsistent with my running
Running with flu?
Running in L.A.
Ice and massage after running?
Hydration on summer runnings
Running in the New Jersey
Running for teens
Common mistakes in running?
Stomach problems when running ?
Running shoes for kids?
Articles on running
After a year break, I'm running again
How much benefit by running
The best age to start running?
4 Feet Running: Ep. 18 -- Philly Marathon Part 1
Encouragement when running
Terminology in running
The most hardcore thing in running is?
Rate your running skill
Weird things happening during running
What is your biggest running chalenge?
Running the neighbourhood
Feeling bad with every running?
Easy tired when running
Running songs
Who's your running partner?
best spikeless running shoes
Who is your running role model?
Wearing backpack when running?
Running like a pro
Running on the beach
Modifying shoes for running?
Brooks Adrenaline GTS 7 best running shoes
Walk breaks during running
Running while on antidepressants
Off season running
protein before or after running?
Your running routine
Why did you began running?
Brooks Glycerin 5 running shoes
Wearing goggles when running?
Other sports next to running
Running with electronics?
Did you tried cheap running shoes?
trail running in the rain
Night Running
For employed - Night or early morning running ?
How to breath through the nose only while running
Ever got embarassed on the running
Best temperature for running
Clothes for running
How to wash expencive running shoes?
What weather have to be for your running mood?
Cycling as cross training for running?
Asphalt or Concrete for running
Suit for Winter running
Fall is the best for running
4 Feet Running: Ep.24 - Is there a doctor in the house?
Running Camp for kids
Advices on breathing when running
Looking for personal running coach?
Any oil or cream protection for legs during winter running?
OrthoticsGood running bra
Running apparel / clothing
Running nerds
Swimming and running in what portion
Sunlenses or sunglasses for running
Uncomfortable new running shoes
Hip replacement and running
Miles running or miles cycling
Headphones for running?
Hardcore running?
Running parallel with cycling?
Losing motivation and losing sight of my running goal
Cycling or Running - Which is harder?
Running when you're sick?
Cycling and running in what dose?
Running and sickness problem
What is the frequency that your running naturally slows down?
Replacing running shoes after a month?
After a long absence I'm back to running
Where to find a resource for local running tracks?
Your Favorite Running Shoes?
Thinking about making a running blog
Numb foot when running
Running on the beach is more difficult?
My first pair of running shoes!
Keeping hair off face while running
Contact lenses or glasses for running?
Which watch for running timing?
How many years of running experience you have?
Change training from running to cycling
who makes the ugliest looking running shoes?
Swimming vs Running - What gives you bigger excitement?
Watch for Running?
Cold weather and running schedule
maximum humidity for running
The right shoes for running
Running vs cycling training
Increase running mileage
Running nude
Where to buy a running skirt?
Running Software info
Anti-depressants and running question?
Biggest sacrifice for running ?
Your activities before you started running?
Running pace concept
Sneezing after a running on the rain
Good Trail Running Shoes
Winter running training
Where to buy good running shoes in NYC?
starting with running again after hysterectomy
Are you dedicated to running?
Have idea of starting a running club
The best running routine
Running on a high altitude
My biggest sacrifice for running is...?
Running shoe recommendations for flat footed
Running aches and pains
Running apparel for ladies
Running vs Cycling thoughts
Running Camps
Running gear info
Running shoes for sand
Is it possible to get lactation from running?
Worst and Best running shoes
Ideal Running Shoe Shape
Running in High Heels?
Running shoes problem
Running with fibromyalgia?
Timing devices for running
styles of shorts for running
Flat foot and running shoe selection
Just lost a toenail by long distance running
menstrual like cramps while running
what was your worst running shoe ever?
Cross-training with running help swimming?
Running shoe average lifetime
Sweat Stains ruining my running shirts!!
Kicking myself in the ankle with new running shoes
Always have multiple pairs of running shoes
Which one is the best online running shoe store?
Resuming Running After C-Section
Losing toenails with wrong running shoes
Washing running shoes?
What running shoes during hot time?
Competitive Endurance Running Research Opportunity
new to running for basic training
Running Faster
Taking up running for the first time
El Guapo Running Club in Jacksonville, FL
Running with your dogs
Does your running have a purpose?
Running City Tours in Buenos Aires, Argentina
Back to running... a few questions
Looking for running partner in Jacksonville, FL
Heart Rate While Running
Question - Running 4 Months, Hobbling For 3 Months...
Running after abdominal hysterectomy
Balanced running programme
swimming vs running vs cycling
Help with Shin and Calf Burning While Running
Need a Running Partner
Anyone running The Bourbon Chase?
Chicago Running
Running City Tours in Buenos Aires, Argentina
Does cycling help running?
Personalized Running shirts
Heart rate increases rapidly while running then decelerates
HELP new to running and need to for basic!!!!
Dressing for Cold Weather Winter Running
Novel on Running-"Runner's Honor"
How can I make a good running plan?
Running up/down hill
The surface for running
Running for my Father - Inspirational Film on DVD
Getting back into running - problems with ITB?
Feet pain when running
Country Music Marathon '09 - anybody running it?
problems with running stride
Bodyweight Exercises while running?
How to stud your shoes for winter running
Triathlon running forum
What kind of running log is good for me?
New Balance Running Shoes
Need Some advice on Running.
Hello, I'm new (new to running)
Running in Hiking Shoes
Switched to running and muscle/weight concerns
Improve Baserunning speed
New to this site and New to running!!
What are some good running shoes for a treadmill?
Classics for running? Also other recommendations?
Pain in left leg after running
Supplements for running
running when its hot and humid
Help Please - Evening running so much better!
something for running on those hot summer days
Heart rate while running
Looking to start running need REALLY high tops
350 lbs man needs running advice
Getting Back into Running
Has anyone heard of Asics Kinsei Shogun running shoes?
Running and a metallic taste in my mouth
Overweight and want to start running.
Free Newton running clinic in NYC on 10/30
Bought Exact Same Running Shoes, New Ones Hurt Feet
Need information on running with 5 yr old girl
post-marathon running pain
new Fitgerald running book-first chapter free
Survey about running shoes
Difference between jogging and running
Running slow hurts while running medium-fast does not???
running downhill on recovery days
Pain in ankles/lower back has prevented me from running
Running Blog
Running Incantations
Interview with Charlie Engle from Running the Sahara
Running and sensitive stomach problems?
Expert Advice needed - trail vs running shoes
Female Running Partner needed in Haymarket/Gainesville VA!
Adult Running Camp
Wind Resistance and Running
bad if running marathon with not many miles?
New at running but loving it... is it OK 5k every day?
I'm looking for funny running shirts, any suggestions?
Difference between running outside shoes and treadmill shoes
walk/running with fibromyalgia and encountering fatigue
best running shoes
Calves tigthen when jogging/running
Running Barefoot?
High Heart Rate while running? Something to be worried about
I need some helpfull critisim for my new website on running!
Run Mate - an iPhone app for running training plans
What do u eat after running???
Comments and reviews on article "Do Running Shoes Do More Harm Than Good?"
Left foot/ankle pain while running
Good Running Headphones
Looking for a running partner in troy ohio
UD Running Study
The most suitable clothing for running???
Running the Great Wall
Are you running??
A running student!
Long Term effects of Long distance running
NB shoes,perfect for running?
Barefoot running - foot & ankle pain
Running For Weight Loss
Running Belt
endurance + higher energy while running
running sick
Which running shoes should I get
Running Injury
Interval running workouts
Knee Pain From Running
fibromyalgia and running
Nike GPS Running Watch Released
Back to running
How do i train with cycling to replace running? foot unjury.
Off-season cross country winter running
My First Running Plan
NEED RUNNING SHOE ADVICE
Headache after running
upper and mid back tightens when running, any thoughts?
What do you think of this running shoe?
Running with chronic illness
Just bought my first running shoes, total newbie! Need advi
What I do after running?
Fibromyalgia and Running
What's your running shoes?
Running Flats for Wide Feet
New online running program
Strength Training Routine To Prevent Knee Pain When Running
Running 2.4km in under 11 minutes
Feedback for new running gear
Inspiring Running Books
running faster
Reading Running Fiction
Public Awareness of the risks of Marathon Running Study
Running my 1st San Francisco Marathon
Running Breathing Tips
Trail running shoes for over-pronators/ "Beast" owners
Attn: Ultra Runners---Running for the Buckle
Trail Running Streaks
Overpronators and Neutral running shoes
Running Beginner to Full-Marathon
Running Tips for New Runners
Help critique this intro running guide
I get bored when running...
Mud Running
Best Rated Running Shoes
Running Training Methods
My New Running Blog
Huge List of Best Running Books and Movies (Almost 200)
Stress fracture...no running for 6 weeks
Recommended Running Shoes
How to Choose Your Basic Running Gear
Running shoe good for the gym, too?
Smart Ways to Prevent Running Injuries
Running Health Benefits: A Quick Rundown
Ever meditate while running?
Running Music confusion
Things You Can Learn From Distance Running
Running as Part of Weight Loss Systems
running with orthotics
Brooks Glycerin 9 Running Shoes
UD Running Study
I need some helpfull critisim for my new website on running!
Running races for charity
What is a good running schedule for a 17 year old male?
new running questions
Compression Tights For Marathon Running
No Feeling of Exertion While Running?
10k Running Study, Participants Needed
Pains while running?
How to Choose Running Shoes
Middle School Running
Help! How much to eat to gain weight while running 50mpw
Running for Childhood Cancer
customizing running shoes/trainers online - please help
running question
Cool Runnings Training Program
Is running two miles a day enough to lose weight? 
Running Aid
Running Project Concepts
running for flat abs and weight loss
Is this a good routine to increase running speed+endurance?
High arches need help on picking running shoes
RunningBrief Weekly Digest
Great new running product
Returning to running after a stress fracture
16 year old male new to running :D
Running Frequency and Distance
Running a Hilly 50k
Running with Strength Training
Profile Design Running Belt
Running Chat
Running Headphones?
Quick survey: Study about technology use while running
Help with running for beginner runner having stress fracture
Stomach pains while running
Running Shoes for Flat Feet
Finally started running again.
An app for safe running
I'm getting scared of all these Pregnant treads...
Keltic and Coach-getting their postin on
This Daddy is Getting A GPS Watch
Dang, so much for getting lucky. :(
Getting the Tri Bug
How much work are you getting done these 2 weeks
Getting the Tri Bug
Getting Better at Pull-Ups
Who is getting the new Mortal Kombat for Christmas?
Need help getting out of a ticket?
who is getting their shopping on today
anyone getting their work on today
Getting a little nervous about tomorrow
What are you getting your significant other for Christmas?
Duke Era of Getting "All The Calls" Must Be Over
Okay, so I'm getting a roommate.
debt reduction, getting a loan, help
Is meat getting more and more expensive?
Girl you're getting
GREATEST HITS...getting one's cetera on...
When you know you're getting a gift...
What are you getting "on" this weekend
I'll never get over you, getting over me....
Getting my Patsy Cline on!
So I'm getting dressed at the gym this morning....
You Are Getting Sleepy...
getting moving again!
Robin and I are getting an Au Pair
Dude, you're getting a cell!
I'm getting my Ben and Jerry's on...
I'm getting a glass of water on...
I'm getting impatient
Follow up to Dude, you're getting a cell!
What are yous getting "on" for lunch
Getting your Survivor gossip
Getting bit by the Tri bug?!
Getting my overtime on this morning
getting my fonts on
Ok, so I'm getting my ice cream on...
We are getting a brand new bed
Getting my steam cleaning on
did you have trouble getting your groove back?
This is getting ridiculous
I'm getting a little sad about my dog
when people getting married lose their minds
getting some more OT tonight
Is anyone else getting lots of errors today?
Is Clay getting hosed!?!? (american idol chat, part 173)
getting to heaven
I'm avoiding "getting to heaven" thread
Getting excited...
I know I'm getting older
Greg's getting a new room!
Anyone have any quick tips on getting rid pf laryngitis??
Any advice on getting rid of wasps/yellowjackets??
Getting rid of mold??
I'm really getting into deep deep trouble...
I'm Getting an Implant
You know your getting old when....
I'm getting my Ben and Jerry's on....
Help I am getting invaded by Poland
Am I just getting old or...
Getting caught up on RR
Just when my week was getting better...
Getting sick after great runs
I'm just not getting out there...
I'm getting really old
Who is who for getting us started for the day
I think I'm getting burnt out..
feel like getting
E. Point Po Po getting lazy?
I'm getting a couch tonight!!!!
I'm getting a cough tonight!!!!!
i'm getting a coach tonight!!!
Getting Your Shopping On?
We are getting a new patio/sunroom for our house
What are you getting on? (part 453)
Getting my work on today
Any advice on getting laid...
I'm FINALLY GETTING MAIL...
Getting appetite back (after being sick)
Anyone else have problems getting on ? Part Deux
I'm getting crotchety
As you are getting older
What are you getting Mom for Mothers Day?
I'm really getting tired of the rain
I'm getting bad visions of 2002 Grandma's
Getting a new bed
getting ready
I'm getting a deep freeze today...cheap!
Already getting tired of...
Are we getting giddy about Lance yet?
Guess who is getting TIVO???
I'm getting a shower
I'm getting free DSL internet (long rant)
Getting away for a few hours tonight
Am I getting worse?
I'm getting a picture published!
It's getting late...
We're getting a new one
Getting Back Into the Groove
Looks like I may be getting back into the turbine business
Hey, at least he's getting involved.
I'm getting half a new treadmill
so much for getting work done.
Great !! Now We'll be getting spam about this...
Is anyone getting my point?
In honor of school getting out.
Man, this sofa story is getting better and better...
The clouds are getting bad....
we might be getting an outdoor hottub!
Killing the co-worker with kindness is getting really old...
Now I KNOW I'm getting old...
getting rid of cat stink
Getting back into training...
Doing Lydiard System, why am I getting slower???
Further proof I'm getting older
we are getting a puppy!!!
so apparently i haven't been getting enough sleep.
Newbie is getting freaked out!
The neat thing about getting a lawyer after a traffic ticket
This just in: scientific study about getting nik nik
We may be getting out of here faster than we thought!
Getting my DMB, Jeepin', groove on...
getting orthotics
Getting stronger but keeping fit
I'm getting a cleaning lady!!!
good luck getting through.
I thought everyone would enjoy getting a little peek at this
getting closer.
Getting too thin?
I'm thinking of getting one of these for my aquarium
Getting a buzz from your iPod PG 13+++
Man, he's getting better than me...
Getting to know you...
I won again! This is getting to easy.
The quilting forumn is getting hot!
google keeps getting better
I'm getting a new camera for Christmas!!!
Somebody is getting no toys for Christmas!
Nice thing about getting a bike for Christmas
I think we're getting ready to blow!
Getting back into shape?
Getting Back Into It: Race Report
I'm getting pretty tired
OK so I'm getting nervous!
it's getting warmer - wonder if WTR Estates has Morel
Getting to my Goal
i'm getting old
Getting Stronger, Not faster
Please help, I am getting desperate
Getting started swimming
the tour is getting good
getting a fix it job done
My "emo" kid is getting good at photography/photos
My "crayola" kid is getting good at drawing
FINAL RESULTS -- I can't believe I'm getting away with this!
We may be getting our house sold this weekend (w/ Updates)
I'm getting the shakes!!!!!!
I'm getting the snakes
Speaking of getting up with the sun and sweating...
Getting ready for deer season
Is anyone else getting
The layout is getting there....
Getting back into it...in the middle of winter
Getting Tempted To Tempo Your Pace
Getting skinny on bike
training and getting sick to my stomach....
Getting paid to fill out surveys from cashcrate.com - is it legit?
YOUR FIRST 5K.. GETTING TO THE STARTING LINE
Getting into shape
Comments and reviews on article "Are You Getting Enough Protein?"
Getting back into it...ankle pain.
Conflicting emotions
200lb runner gets conflicting shoe advice. Recommendations?

 




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