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cdnhollywood
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 Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:06 Post subject: Resumes and bad manager situations
Long story short -- my manager has lost almost all faith in my ability to work where I am, I'm tired of it, and I need a reference for this position on my resume. If I use him, it probably won't be the best reference I'll ever get. If I don't use him, I'll be asked why I didn't use my manager.
Any thoughts on how to handle this effectively? I'm at a bit of a loss here....
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airehead
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:07 Post subject:
I have the same conundrum with my resume and my last boss.
What about using their supervisor? Is that a no-no?
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:10 Post subject:
Well legally I believe I'm limited on what I can say if asked for a reference for a former employee. How bad were you guys? 
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cdnhollywood
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:19 Post subject:
| JACKED UP wrote: | | Well legally I believe I'm limited on what I can say if asked for a reference for a former employee. How bad were you guys? |
It all started late last year, when a personal situation (critical) pulled me away unexpectedly from work at times. My weekly commitments on the project were affected through those times - but I would expect most people to understand this given the situation we were dealing with at home. But it was at this point where his trust in me was apparently lost.
We've been getting together every week to review what I've done in the past week, and where things might be lacking. After 9 months, with good feedback from coworkers and good success on projects this year, he says that there's still a way to go, and he's concerned about my progress. He also can't give me concrete examples of how I could improve - just says that there's no concrete evidence, and he's not hearing my name from other people on the floor. No my projects are winding down, and there's fewer and fewer opportunities to demonstrate what he "requires."
I want this done, good or bad, by the end of the year. That's why the resume's being worked on now.
As for going to his supervisor, he sees me less than my manager does, so he'll only hear about me what he hears from my manager.
I'll be meeting a headhunter soon, but from the other perspective. He's a friend of a friend, and I'm hoping for some good stuff to come out of that. Until then, I'm banging my head on the wall, and my fist on the floor.
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:21 Post subject:
I rarely put my supervisors down as references and have never had a problem with it. Just put down someone else and if asked about it, say that you don't want your boss to know you are looking for another job.
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:22 Post subject:
Are you contract where you work now?
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cdnhollywood
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:24 Post subject:
| Running Brewer wrote: | | Are you contract where you work now? |
Nope. Permanent full-time.
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:24 Post subject:
| cdnhollywood wrote: | | JACKED UP wrote: | | Well legally I believe I'm limited on what I can say if asked for a reference for a former employee. How bad were you guys? |
It all started late last year, when a personal situation (critical) pulled me away unexpectedly from work at times. My weekly commitments on the project were affected through those times - but I would expect most people to understand this given the situation we were dealing with at home. But it was at this point where his trust in me was apparently lost.
We've been getting together every week to review what I've done in the past week, and where things might be lacking. After 9 months, with good feedback from coworkers and good success on projects this year, he says that there's still a way to go, and he's concerned about my progress. He also can't give me concrete examples of how I could improve - just says that there's no concrete evidence, and he's not hearing my name from other people on the floor. No my projects are winding down, and there's fewer and fewer opportunities to demonstrate what he "requires."
I want this done, good or bad, by the end of the year. That's why the resume's being worked on now.
As for going to his supervisor, he sees me less than my manager does, so he'll only hear about me what he hears from my manager.
I'll be meeting a headhunter soon, but from the other perspective. He's a friend of a friend, and I'm hoping for some good stuff to come out of that. Until then, I'm banging my head on the wall, and my fist on the floor. |
And unfortunately even though it's wrong and probably illegal he's prolly not telling the full truth.  I hate to say it but it sux to be you. Really. Sorry.  Good Luck.
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airehead
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:30 Post subject:
| Running Brewer wrote: | | I rarely put my supervisors down as references and have never had a problem with it. Just put down someone else and if asked about it, say that you don't want your boss to know you are looking for another job. |
Good advice. I've been scared to apply for a job because I know this woman is vindictive and mean.
Good luck, Cdn. You have my sympathy on your situation.
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Running Brewer
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:46 Post subject:
I don't know about where you live Cdn, but around here the job market is pretty good. I know a lot of people that have switched jobs recently y the average increase in salary being over 12%. it is a good time to be an gEEk.
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:46 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | | Running Brewer wrote: | | I rarely put my supervisors down as references and have never had a problem with it. Just put down someone else and if asked about it, say that you don't want your boss to know you are looking for another job. |
Good advice. I've been scared to apply for a job because I know this woman is vindictive and mean.
Good luck, Cdn. You have my sympathy on your situation. |
what about a co-worker. Someone you work a lot with that sees how much work/effort you put into projects?
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airehead
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 11:58 Post subject:
| karlene wrote: | | airehead wrote: | | Running Brewer wrote: | | I rarely put my supervisors down as references and have never had a problem with it. Just put down someone else and if asked about it, say that you don't want your boss to know you are looking for another job. |
Good advice. I've been scared to apply for a job because I know this woman is vindictive and mean.
Good luck, Cdn. You have my sympathy on your situation. |
what about a co-worker. Someone you work a lot with that sees how much work/effort you put into projects? |
I've thought about that, too.
I'm just so new at all this.
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Posted: 09/29/06 - 17:30 Post subject:
I'd put anyone who knows what kind of work you do and how well you work on the job. It can be someone in HR, a manager in another department, a coworker... anyone really. Just be sure that they 1)like you and 2)don't depend on your current position to be filled.
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Posted: 09/30/06 - 02:59 Post subject:
Most jobs are filled through word-of-mouth. I would try networking and trying to get strong leads on some other jobs. Put down some good references, and if you are already on the fast-track for the new job, they won't even bring up your current position's reference.
I would add that I would have a good response to why you are not using your current job as a reference. Most of us have been there, most of us have had bad jobs with bad managers.
Best of Luck.
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Posted: 10/01/06 - 21:30 Post subject:
If you have an HR department, list that instead. They know the law, they know that all they can say is when you worked there and what salary they made. Anything else is a fat lawsuit.
Your supervisor should know that too but it's all too easy to deny anecdotal conversation, so don't list him. Be sure to list other references outside that job that are current, like if you volunteer anywhere.
Remember that the people trying to hire you aren't all that interested in what your current job tells them. It's just a hoop they have to jump through. By the time they get round to calling your references, they've pretty much made the decision to hire you.
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