Responsibility of Embedded Reporters Covering War
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Wicked Flea
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 Posted: 11/18/04 - 10:15 Post subject:
| robp wrote: |
Does anybody care? |
Doesn't look like it.
Which I think is a shame.
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Posted: 11/18/04 - 15:59 Post subject:
It's the classic problem, folks. Winning battles but losing the war. Why do they do horrible things to decent people like Margaret Hassan and their own countrymen, let alone our troops? Because it works. They look at the Algerians or the Vietnamese or even Afghans for vindication.
The insurgents have two tactical goals--1. To discredit us in the eyes of their countrymen; and 2. To discredit us in the court of world opinion (where, frankly, they started with a distinct advantage this time around). Every act like this, however isolated, helps them achieve those goals.
Someone please tell me where, in the 20th century, has an insurgent movement against a colonial/occupying power failed?
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Posted: 11/18/04 - 16:02 Post subject:
| RexRacer wrote: | It's the classic problem, folks. Winning battles but losing the war. Why do they do horrible things to decent people like Margaret Hassan and their own countrymen, let alone our troops? Because it works. They look at the Algerians or the Vietnamese or even Afghans for vindication.
The insurgents have two tactical goals--1. To discredit us in the eyes of their countrymen; and 2. To discredit us in the court of world opinion (where, frankly, they started with a distinct advantage this time around). Every act like this, however isolated, helps them achieve those goals.
Someone please tell me where, in the 20th century, has an insurgent movement against a colonial/occupying power failed? |
brits and malay???
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Posted: 11/18/04 - 16:09 Post subject:
| megawill wrote: |
brits and malay??? |
Damn you! Yes, that's the only one I know of. Too good. But even still, they quashed the rebellion and then pulled out shortly therefater anyway, correct? Like declaring victory and going home, as the quote went.
In the end remnants of the rebel groups ended up with power in the subsequent political process, right?
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megawill
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Posted: 11/18/04 - 16:15 Post subject:
| RexRacer wrote: |
Damn you! Yes, that's the only one I know of. Too good. But even still, they quashed the rebellion and then pulled out shortly therefater anyway, correct? Like declaring victory and going home, as the quote went.
In the end remnants of the rebel groups ended up with power in the subsequent political process, right? |
I believe you are correct....
I'm convinced that we have not learned how to fight this kind of war...and the only thing that remains in question is how many deaths of our young men and women are the american people willing to stomach before they start calling for Bush's head on a platter? [/editorial comment]
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 07:57 Post subject:
The Japanese had large scale insurgent movements in the Pacific Islands.
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 08:57 Post subject:
Would it make a difference to anybody if they knew that the embedded photographer was an ANTI-WAR activist. Contributes photos to anti-war websites and has a personal blog with the same bias.
I would tend to think that might motivate him to film things from with a certain perconceived mindset as to what he is looking to capture.
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 10:27 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | The Japanese had large scale insurgent movements in the Pacific Islands. |
Right. And it didn't end up going to well for them.
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RexRacer
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 10:38 Post subject:
| BamBam wrote: | Would it make a difference to anybody if they knew that the embedded photographer was an ANTI-WAR activist. Contributes photos to anti-war websites and has a personal blog with the same bias.
I would tend to think that might motivate him to film things from with a certain perconceived mindset as to what he is looking to capture. |
That's pretty interesting, Bam. I'd have to think that most journalists, and I'll include photo journalists, who keep blogs (are there any under 40 who don't?) use those blogs as an outlet for their own personal expression that they can't put into the pieces they report on for the media. Unless of course they are specifically writing op-ed pieces.
I'd also think that this guy wasn't going around looking for bad stuff to phototgraph as much as he had his camera running constantly throughout the battle. He captured a graphic image quite by accident, much like the guy who got the Saigon police chief capping the suspected Viet Cong kid in the head.
Lastly, I don't think the photographer was the one who made the decision to release the photo and the soundtrack, that was done at a much higher level. he was just holding the camera.
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 11:04 Post subject:
| BamBam wrote: | Would it make a difference to anybody if they knew that the embedded photographer was an ANTI-WAR activist. Contributes photos to anti-war websites and has a personal blog with the same bias.
I would tend to think that might motivate him to film things from with a certain perconceived mindset as to what he is looking to capture. |
My husband was listening to talk radio yesterday and on it apparently they had some guy who has viewed the entire footage, unedited. Apparently, according to this guy, after the insergent in question was shot, another stood up and surrendered....anyone else hear this?
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 20:45 Post subject:
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Right. And it didn't end up going to well for them. |
that is because we showed them what total war was. We kicked their asses and made them submit. Look at where Japan is today.
This is as much a war of ideals as it is a war of pacification.
It is really sad when a country's greatest export is terrorists and not any product useful for the world to use.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 21:15 Post subject:
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It is really sad when a country's greatest export is terrorists and not any product useful for the world to use. |
Oil is pretty d@mn valuable.
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Posted: 11/19/04 - 22:01 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: |
Oil is pretty d@mn valuable. |
it is a commodity, like gold, the real money is in what people do with it once they buy it. Tell me what an arab has invented or brought to this world that has bettered this world. How many patents do they have, how many medicines have they made.
Anyone of arab descent whom has done so has done it in a country where he/she can do it without a repressive government.
My point is that they need to redirect their energies into bettering their own countries instead of blowing up America or Israel.
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Posted: 11/21/04 - 20:04 Post subject:
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Tell me what an arab has invented or brought to this world that has bettered this world. |
1. What number system do YOU use?
2. Simply because you don't know the descent of people who have contributed to the betterment of the world doesn't give you the right to assume it doesn't exist.
3. Edited to add: do you actually know anyone who would call himself an Arab? Have you spent time with that person, been a guest in his home, learned anything about his culture, his religion, his thoughts? My guess is no. So why don't you try that before you slam the whole group?
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Posted: 11/21/04 - 20:16 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
1. What number system do YOU use?
2. Simply because you don't know the descent of people who have contributed to the betterment of the world doesn't give you the right to assume it doesn't exist. |
okay numbers and a lot of scientific discoveries were preserved by the Muslims. But I ask, what have they done to better the world.
Since you indirectly answered my question, how about I clarify and tell you to find the last medicine or device that has benefited the world that the Muslims have invented in the last 300 years. Even if they did, we have done so much more than they can ever claim. It is not a question of money because they have a great deal of wealth to feed into research.
And I have studied history for the better part of my life I am sure I know what I am talking about.
MUSLIM NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS
| Quote: | Muslims number 1, 200,000,000 ... about 20% of the world's population ...and
have won the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature
1957 - Albert Camus (of French parentage, but raised in North Africa)
1988 - Najib Mahfooz.
Peace
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat
Chemistry
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewail
Medicine
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad |
JEWISH NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS
| Quote: | Jews number approx. 14,000,000 ... about 0.02% of the world's
population, which is about the population of Nepal or Morocco.
Literature
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Chemistry
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Economics
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Mars! hall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfre! d Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
Physics
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Stein Berger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1995 - Martin Perl |
this is my source
http://www.tonymontana.com/gallery.htm
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