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sonnylax
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 Posted: 03/28/06 - 16:47 Post subject: Religion Of Peace?
Maybe, just maybe, the main stream media will begin to see the 800lb elephant in the room with the rest of us.....
| Investors Business Daily editorial wrote: | Religion Of Peace?
Posted 3/27/2006
War On Terror: In the wake of the cartoon jihad and mosque-on-mosque violence in Iraq, most Americans now think Islam has more violent believers than any other faith. Yet many still view it as a "peaceful religion."
Psychologists might call this cognitive dissonance a state of mind where rational people essentially lie to themselves. But in this case, it's understandable. In our politically correct culture, criticizing any religion, even one that plots our destruction, is still taboo. And no one wants to suggest the terrorists are driven by their holy text.
Which explains a Washington Post-ABC News poll showing that Americans are becoming more aware of the broader threat (58% associate terrorists with Islam), but are still convinced terrorists are radicalizing Islam and not the other way around (54% don't think Islam itself encourages violence).
The new poll, however, still doesn't sit well with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a group dedicated to improving public perceptions of Islam. It has denounced increasingly negative views as "Islamophobic" and vowed to redouble its "education" efforts.
Good. What better time for CAIR and other Muslim leaders to step up, cut through the politically correct fog and provide factual answers to the questions that give so many non-Muslims pause?
Generally speaking, those questions focus on whether the Quran does indeed promote violence against non-Muslims, and how many of the terrorists' ideas about the violent jihad, the self-immolation, the kidnappings, even the beheadings come right out of the text? But even more specifically:
Is Islam the only religion with a doctrine, theology and legal system that mandates warfare against unbelievers?
Is it true that 26 chapters of the Quran deal with jihad, a fight able-bodied believers are obligated to join (Surah 2:216), and that the text orders Muslims to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbeliever" and to "smite above their necks" (8:12)?
Is the "test" of loyalty to Allah not good acts or faith in general, but martyrdom that results from fighting unbelievers (47:4) the only assurance of salvation in Islam (4:74; 9:111)?
Are the sins of any Muslim who becomes a martyr forgiven by the very act of being slain while slaying the unbelievers (4:96)?
And is it really true that martyrs are rewarded with virgins, among other carnal delights, in Paradise (38:51, 55:56; 55:76; 56:22)?
Are those unable to do jihad such as women or the elderly required to give "asylum and aid" to those who do fight unbelievers in the cause of Allah (8:74)?
Does Islam advocate expansion by force? And is the final command of jihad, as revealed to Muhammad in the Quran, to conquer the world in the name of Islam (9:29)?
Is Islam the only religion that does not teach the Golden Rule (48:29)? Does the Quran instead teach violence and hatred against non-Muslims, specifically Jews and Christians (5:50)?
There are other questions, but these should do for a start. If the answers are "yes," then at least Americans will know there's no such thing as moderate Islam, even as they trust that there are moderate Muslims who do not act out on its violent commands. |
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 16:54 Post subject:
I suspect this thread get locked / yanked in less than a day.
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 17:16 Post subject:
I'll go ahead and copy what I posted in your last thread on Islam, since you never replied.
| I wrote: | So what should be done about it? How exactly do you curb a religion?
I'm not necessarily voicing an opinion here, but for those of you who think there are far too many radicals in their religion, what do you think the solution is? Is there a solution?
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 17:20 Post subject:
What we need is to create a 'special forces' of Christian Missionaries. The original special forces dropped behind enemy lines to teach the locals how to resist / fight. We need to equip locals who are beleivers to slowly turn Muslims away from the false god of islam.
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 17:26 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | What we need is to create a 'special forces' of Christian Missionaries. The original special forces dropped behind enemy lines to teach the locals how to resist / fight. We need to equip locals who are beleivers to slowly turn Muslims away from the false god of islam. |
I sincerely hope you're joking.
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 17:31 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | What we need is to create a 'special forces' of Christian Missionaries. The original special forces dropped behind enemy lines to teach the locals how to resist / fight. We need to equip locals who are beleivers to slowly turn Muslims away from the false god of islam. |
I sincerely hope you're joking. |
why would I joke? we need to train and equip the believers to turn them away. Not with military force but education in Christ.
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MechEngDropout
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 18:19 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | What we need is to create a 'special forces' of Christian Missionaries. The original special forces dropped behind enemy lines to teach the locals how to resist / fight. We need to equip locals who are beleivers to slowly turn Muslims away from the false god of islam. |
I sincerely hope you're joking. |
why would I joke? we need to train and equip the believers to turn them away. Not with military force but education in Christ. |
Why Christ? If we're aiming for peace, why not try to convert them to Buddhism?
Why don't you take this up at your church if you think it's feasible? Why not volunteer for a mission to Iran?
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 18:26 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | What we need is to create a 'special forces' of Christian Missionaries. The original special forces dropped behind enemy lines to teach the locals how to resist / fight. We need to equip locals who are beleivers to slowly turn Muslims away from the false god of islam. |
I sincerely hope you're joking. |
why would I joke? we need to train and equip the believers to turn them away. Not with military force but education in Christ. |
Why Christ? If we're aiming for peace, why not try to convert them to Buddhism?
Why don't you take this up at your church if you think it's feasible? Why not volunteer for a mission to Iran? |
Budhism is another false god. The Baptist Church (I'm not a member of organized religion I'm Methodist) was roundly criticized a few years ago for exactly this idea.
I'd hardly qualify as a missionary to Iraq. It would likely need to be done with Iraqi Christians or others from the region. I don't speak the language and I'm not a trained pastor. A red headed guy like me would end up either being ingnored or as the guest of honor at a video taped throat slashing.
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 18:43 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | MechEngDropout wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | What we need is to create a 'special forces' of Christian Missionaries. The original special forces dropped behind enemy lines to teach the locals how to resist / fight. We need to equip locals who are beleivers to slowly turn Muslims away from the false god of islam. |
I sincerely hope you're joking. |
why would I joke? we need to train and equip the believers to turn them away. Not with military force but education in Christ. |
Why Christ? If we're aiming for peace, why not try to convert them to Buddhism?
Why don't you take this up at your church if you think it's feasible? Why not volunteer for a mission to Iran? |
Budhism is another false god. The Baptist Church (I'm not a member of organized religion I'm Methodist) was roundly criticized a few years ago for exactly this idea.
A Baptist Church tried to preach Buddhism? I don't understand.
I'd hardly qualify as a missionary to Iraq. It would likely need to be done with Iraqi Christians or others from the region. I don't speak the language and I'm not a trained pastor. A red headed guy like me would end up either being ingnored or as the guest of honor at a video taped throat slashing.
The Apostles were just ordinary guys. |
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Posted: 03/28/06 - 22:14 Post subject:
The Baptists had a program to try to witness to muslims - theory being they already believed in a single god so all that need be done is get them pointed to the right God and prophet. Sorta going after low hanging fruit to use the Coperate America term. It's quite a but different than that in real life because of some very errors in their perception of God but it should still be easier to witness to a muslim tha say a budhist or pagan.
I'm not nearly worthy of being compared to the Apostles, Or even the modern day missionaries. I do my very small part but I haven't been giver the gift or or calling to missions work on nearly that scale.
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Posted: 03/29/06 - 10:16 Post subject:
| Quote: | | Psychologists might call this cognitive dissonance a state of mind where rational people essentially lie to themselves. |
So just to make sure I have this right: the entire Bush Administration is a bunch of Muslims? Got it.
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Posted: 03/29/06 - 10:39 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | Quote: | | Psychologists might call this cognitive dissonance a state of mind where rational people essentially lie to themselves. |
So just to make sure I have this right: the entire Bush Administration is a bunch of Muslims? Got it. |
ok granted compared to you I'm dumb as a box of rocks but I don't get it
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Posted: 03/29/06 - 17:49 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | Quote: | | Psychologists might call this cognitive dissonance a state of mind where rational people essentially lie to themselves. |
So just to make sure I have this right: the entire Bush Administration is a bunch of Muslims? Got it. |
HA! I may have to use that as my signature line, G3.
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Posted: 03/29/06 - 21:24 Post subject:
Religion is a wonderful thing until people get hold of it. 
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Posted: 03/29/06 - 21:54 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | Religion is a wonderful thing until people get hold of it. |
Amen to that.
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