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 Posted: 11/05/04 - 20:57 Post subject:
This is purely my opinion and an observation
Urban area tend to be more blue collar/union and have minority/lower income residents, both demographics typically vote democrat.
Rural/suburban areas tend to be more middle class/upper class which are typically republican demographics.
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Posted: 11/05/04 - 20:58 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: |
I did plenty of research and I sure didn't come up with any reasons to vote for Bush.
They were discussing this exact issue on NPR today; wish I could have stayed in the car to listen to it, though the gist of it was what Rex said. |
I know you did research and you dont live in the inner city, at least you made an informed choice. Most of the people in the inner city would vote for James Earl Ray if he were running on the democratic ticket.
that is what I mean.
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 16:53 Post subject:
I think that's an unfair generalization to make, Joe. I live in the city. I made a well-informed choice. When you say inner city, what exactly do you mean?
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 16:57 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | I think that's an unfair generalization to make, Joe. I live in the city. I made a well-informed choice. When you say inner city, what exactly do you mean? |
the union thugs and "people of color"
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 19:08 Post subject:
I agree with you that union people often vote on single issues.
I don't understand your generalization of the voting patterns of "people of color" but I'd be interested in learning what you really mean.
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 20:55 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | I agree with you that union people often vote on single issues.
I don't understand your generalization of the voting patterns of "people of color" but I'd be interested in learning what you really mean. |
check the break down of race and how they voted.
A/A were like +80% for JFK
white americans were no where near that. I say that is pretty clear.
2000 results
2004 results
Even black conservatives or republicans are very rare.
Explain why many of the blacks, many of whom would likely believe in conservative causes support the democrats.
I believe the repubs need to reach out and educate the masses more.
Problem is, is that the dems are starting to take the black vote for granted. The dems better watch if the repubs start aggressively courting the black vote.
if you look across the demographics from the 2000 vote, most of the results are fairly close to the 50% mark, except the black vote.
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 21:13 Post subject:
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check the break down of race and how they voted.
A/A were like +80% for JFK
white americans were no where near that. I say that is pretty clear.
2000 results
Even black conservatives or republicans are very rare.
Explain why many of the blacks, many of whom would likely believe in conservative causes support the democrats.
I believe the repubs need to reach out and educate the masses more.
Problem is, is that the dems are starting to take the black vote for granted. The dems better watch if the repubs start aggressively courting the black vote.
if you look across the demographics from the 2000 vote, most of the results are fairly close to the 50% mark, except the black vote. |
Why do you think blacks would likely believe in conservative causes and what do you think they need to be educated about?
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 21:21 Post subject:
school choice, (vouchers), less dependence on government and more on work and family, the idea that taxing a large amount on a small population may sound good but is ineffective, etc.
why do they keep voting democrat, what do the dems offer is the question.
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 21:23 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | school choice, (vouchers), less dependence on government and more on work and family, the idea that taxing a large amount on a small population may sound good but is ineffective, etc.
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These are issues that you think would appeal to those living in the inner city (and presumbly are poor)?
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Posted: 11/06/04 - 21:32 Post subject:
dont you think if an inner city mom had a chance to choose what school to send her kid to, if she got a voucher would send him to a good private school? I think absolutely.
If people in the inner city valued hard work or learned more self reliance rather than expecting the goverment to always solve their problems.
what about encouraging home ownership, since I believe it is the ultimate accountablility for your neighborhood, if you have a greater stake, you take a greater interest.
Quit blaming and start doing. Hard work is exactly that, but what gets me as that most inner city blacks who make it are scorned by their own people for selling out.
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 10:19 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | dont you think if an inner city mom had a chance to choose what school to send her kid to, if she got a voucher would send him to a good private school? I think absolutely.
If people in the inner city valued hard work or learned more self reliance rather than expecting the goverment to always solve their problems.
what about encouraging home ownership, since I believe it is the ultimate accountablility for your neighborhood, if you have a greater stake, you take a greater interest.
Quit blaming and start doing. Hard work is exactly that, but what gets me as that most inner city blacks who make it are scorned by their own people for selling out. |
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I lived near one of the poorest areas in Madison Wisconsin. In Madison, you had school choice and your children could be bussed to any school and it was highly encouraged to do so. This area had alot of single moms and they did NOT want their children going to the rich, white kids school. They wanted a school in their neighborhood where the children sat amongst other children that looked like them and dressed like them. What they wanted was a school as nice as the other schools in Madison with teachers having the same credentials. I moved about 2 miles away for another 4 years and I can tell you at that point there wasn't a new school went I left Madison. I'm not sure if there is now????? I doubt it, Madison was "bent" on integration to give equal opportunity. What kills me is that "these" moms did NOT want it, the city ignors their wants.
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 15:43 Post subject:
A good point, Sue. We shouldn't make the assumption that we know what everyone wants.
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 17:05 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | A good point, Sue. We shouldn't make the assumption that we know what everyone wants. |
I wish the dems thought that way too. It is a choice, which means optional. Instead of forcing people to go to their own school district it at least empowers people to make their own choice.
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 17:59 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: |
I wish the dems thought that way too. It is a choice, which means optional. Instead of forcing people to go to their own school district it at least empowers people to make their own choice. |
Egads, the generalizations are overwhelming today. All dems think this, all black people think that, all poor people think this. Since many of us are none of these, get a handful of these particular people together and ask what they think before deciding what they think was my point.
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Posted: 11/07/04 - 18:46 Post subject:
I never said it was your point, I was using it to make mine. Ease up
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