|
|
|
|
monk25
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 25 Jun 2002
Posts: 3922
Location: The Beautiful South Shore of L.I. NY
|
| Back to top
|
|
 Posted: 06/05/03 - 11:58 Post subject: Pushy Friends
A childhood friend has recently gone into the life insurance business. This friend was a musician and artist, and always a political activist on the far left. He always had something to say about "corporate America".
He is now married and has a new son. He is the pushiest SOB, ever. He actually uses anything I say to get names from me for leads. He has taken email I have sent and mined the addresses. He has contacted everyone in my family. We spoke the other day, and I mentioned in passing that I had seen two friends at thier new houses. He actually looked them up!!!!! Fortunately, he got the addresses wrong. I sent this email to him, BCC ing the two mentioned friends:
Tommy and Dale,
My childhood friend, Dave, has emailed me the following:
With your permission, I would like to contact your buddies Tommy and Dale to see if I may be of help with their financial situations including life insurance.
I would never give out your contact information without your permission, so I am giving you his contact information, including his email, if you are interested in speaking to him.
If he gives me grief about this, I sever the friendship.
|
|
|
|
|
rolling rock
The Pinball
|
|
|
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 16218
Location: unknown zone
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 12:08 Post subject:
i am so turned off by pushy people. i am so not pushy -- altho' i'm not a speedbump either. pushy sucks. take a stresstab Dave; you are pushing yourself out of a good friendship in Monk. 
i swear do pushy people even know they are being pushy?? i think not.
obnoxious freekin' things.
|
|
|
|
|
elkid
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 18 Nov 2002
Posts: 8353
Location: hiding out in Philly
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 12:15 Post subject:
Ask this friend if he has purchased life insurance through the company. If he says no, tell him if you don't believe in your own product, why should anyone else?
But if he says yes, ask him if he's confident in the company's ability to pay quick and pay well. If he says no, tell him if you don't believe in your own product, why should anyone else?
But if he says yes, push him in front of a truck. The world is rid of one pushy person, and his wife and kid will benefit lots. 
|
|
|
|
|
thegman
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 23 Sep 2002
Posts: 3088
Location: 12 yards out.
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 13:28 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | Ask this friend if he has purchased life insurance through the company. If he says no, tell him if you don't believe in your own product, why should anyone else?
But if he says yes, ask him if he's confident in the company's ability to pay quick and pay well. If he says no, tell him if you don't believe in your own product, why should anyone else?
But if he says yes, push him in front of a truck. The world is rid of one pushy person, and his wife and kid will benefit lots. |
|
|
|
|
|
jrjo
Gone Fishin
|
|
|
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 16451
Location: Lake Wobegon, MN
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 14:09 Post subject:
Kinda ironic he's anti-corporate America, but willing to sell his soul for the insurance industry.
|
|
|
|
|
kristin31
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 8045
Location: Caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 14:56 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Kinda ironic he's anti-corporate America, but willing to sell his soul for the insurance industry. |
Most definitely. They are the greediest SOBs and would sell their own families down the river. (I work for one, remember?). This place is so Dilbert world like it's unreal. I guess he sold out?
|
|
|
|
|
monk25
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 25 Jun 2002
Posts: 3922
Location: The Beautiful South Shore of L.I. NY
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:00 Post subject:
I just received this email from him:
| Quote: | Thanks Phil. I understand why you did it this way. I do hope you also understand that I would never harass anyone, including those who are referred to me. As your friend and life insurance agent, I think you know my character better than most people. I would hope that you trust me accordingly and know I would never do anything to cause problems or create unethical situations with anyone. When I ask you for a referral, it is
because referrals are the lifeblood of my business. I would be forced to
make unsolicited "cold" calls to strangers without referrals. That would
require too much of my time and take away from my ability to serve my
clients the way they deserve to be served. I understand your reluctance to
send me Tommy's and Dale's info. Unfortunately, your contacting them this way will likely not open the door for me to help them, even if they need the help. What I have found in the past with others who have felt as you do, is that when I do make a contact directly to a referral, those referrals are more appreciative than set off by the fact their friend or associate referred them to me. In addition, I have met and spent time with both Tommy and Dale in the past so I am not a total stranger to either of them whom you passed their info on to.
Here is what I propose to you:
I would like to send them my newsletter and an introduction letter with it
so that I can at least show them what I am about. Then I will follow it up
with one (1) phone call. There is no second or third if they say they are
not interested. If this is OK with you, I would like their correct contact
information so I may handle this in the most professional manner as possible.
All I ask is that you think about it. I appreciate your help either way,
Phil. |
|
|
|
|
|
genie
Master of Prissface
|
|
|
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 16194
Location: Finding serenity one day at a time
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:01 Post subject:
Money and its accompanying greed make people do obnoxious things. I'd be pretty annoyed at that too. Pushy people are not high on my list in general and less so if it's someone I considered a friend. yech.
|
|
|
|
|
shelflifers
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
Posts: 18633
Location: Austin, TX
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:05 Post subject:
ummm...he's asking YOU to help him now?? Funk dat, monk!
Man, I once had a co-worker give out my name and number to his insurance agent and the pesky little ass monkey calls me ALL the time!!!!
I keep telling him I'm not interested and to please not call my business line and he continues to do it. 
|
|
|
|
|
jrjo
Gone Fishin
|
|
|
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 16451
Location: Lake Wobegon, MN
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:06 Post subject:
"...even if they need the help" What a rescue worker!
You suppose lifeblood is better than normal blood?
|
|
|
|
|
cherylpf
crazy cat lady
|
|
|
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 17305
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:11 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | "...even if they need the help" What a rescue worker!
|
I caught that line too!!
Whatever would we do without salesmen telling us of needs we have that we are unaware we have....
Thats a rough situation Monk!
|
|
|
|
|
elkid
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 18 Nov 2002
Posts: 8353
Location: hiding out in Philly
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:21 Post subject:
| monk25 wrote: | | When I ask you for a referral, it is because referrals are the lifeblood of my business. I would be forced to make unsolicited "cold" calls to strangers without referrals. That would require too much of my time and take away from my ability to serve my clients the way they deserve to be served. I understand your reluctance to send me Tommy's and Dale's info. Unfortunately, your contacting them this way will likely not open the door for me to help them, even if they need the help. Here is what I propose to you: .... |
Wow. This guy actually thinks that he has ASKED you for referrals when he hasn't? That he shouldn't have to work on his own, but pimp out his friends & family to do the work for him? And then he has the cajones to propose a way where you continue to do his work for him under the guise that you wronged him by not giving him your friends' info? What a jackass!
Run away, as fast as you can. And for you, that's damn fast, my friend. Doesn't sound much like a friendship worth salvaging.
|
|
|
|
|
monk25
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 25 Jun 2002
Posts: 3922
Location: The Beautiful South Shore of L.I. NY
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:24 Post subject:
Here is my reply:
| Quote: | Dave,
We have been through a lot together, and I appreciate what you have done for my family. But also know that not everyone appreciates when I give their numbers out. I have had things said to me in the past, and I will not put any of my friendships in an awkward position for the sake of a profit, for me or anyone else. I hope you would respect that.
Understand that you chose this profession, not me. I could never do what you do, and I know it must be very difficult.
We are friends, Dave, and I cherish that fact. I would do anything for you in this capacity, this includes respecting your privacy. I am sorry if my recommending your services is not enough for you. |
|
|
|
|
|
kattzoo
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Posts: 3813
Location: Happily at the back of the pack
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:32 Post subject:
Excellent reply Monk. Shows a lot of class on your part. I hope your friend leaves it at that.
|
|
|
|
|
monk25
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 25 Jun 2002
Posts: 3922
Location: The Beautiful South Shore of L.I. NY
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 06/05/03 - 15:33 Post subject:
| kattzoo wrote: | | Excellent reply Monk. Shows a lot of class on your part. I hope your friend leaves it at that. |
Me too. 
|
|
|
|
