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airehead
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 Posted: 03/10/06 - 13:56 Post subject: Pretend...
if you will, that I just got off a boat from a different country and I have asked you, without insults or name calling, to explain to me why Hillary Clinton should or should not be president.
Please, explain.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 14:40 Post subject:
Pass the popcorn please.
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 15:38 Post subject:
Take them to an all-girls school during PMS week and tell them it's minor compared to her temperment, not to mention her ideas.
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karlene
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 16:10 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | Take them to an all-girls school during PMS week and tell them it's minor compared to her temperment, not to mention her ideas. |
Please specify.
I don't know what 'ideas' you are talking about
/i am from another country...
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j1miller
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 16:40 Post subject:
| karlene wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | | Take them to an all-girls school during PMS week and tell them it's minor compared to her temperment, not to mention her ideas. |
Please specify.
I don't know what 'ideas' you are talking about
/i am from another country... |
Honestly, pretty much anything that comes out of her mouth is questionable.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 19:07 Post subject:
I don't know any New Yorkers who find her record as their senator objectionable. And I know a lot of New Yorkers, and I've sought their opinion on that very question.
My own view is that worrying first about appealing to the mainstream is not going to fix the issues I see as problematic, and that what we need is someone visionary who can execute that vision. I've seen her be too cautious, too concerned about the middle of the road, to be the kind of leadership I think we need.
She also pissed off a bunch of people when she was the First Lady by being an assertive woman, but obviously that's not an issue for me.
I do think it's interesting that so many are so willing to villify her with almost knee-jerk response time, but are unable, when asked, to specify exactly what it is that they find so distasteful.
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 21:46 Post subject:
The thing is... pretty much everything about her bothers me. It's hard to just say one thing. It's more the way she carries herself and herpersonality than anything.
I don't think she's a good role model for women and it seems that she tries to be more than she is.
It's not just one thing, but more of the overall thing.
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 21:49 Post subject:
Sorry for my pre-edited post, I thought I was in RR.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 03/10/06 - 23:21 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | I don't think she's a good role model for women |
Why?
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Posted: 03/11/06 - 22:53 Post subject:
She is an intelligent, confident, and extremely strong woman. She obviously sticks to a committment once made, even though it seems foreign concept to the rest of us. She obviously is a good mother because her daughter seems intelligent, confident and strong just like her mother.
I believe she was an innovative First Lady and applaud her for trying to accomplish the unthinkable while her husband was in office and she suffering great ridicule for it. I would rather see a First Lady like Hillary Clinton than an international socialite who pretends to tackle issues.
I have more confidence in Hilary Clinton to run our nation than I do some of the yahoos who have run in the past.
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Posted: 03/11/06 - 23:08 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | | I believe she was an innovative First Lady and applaud her for trying to accomplish the unthinkable while her husband was in office and she suffering great ridicule for it. |
Other than her push to get a Canadian form of socialized medicine here, what did she do that you saw as innovative (which I'd describe as doing or proposing something no First Lady has done)? Or was it the perception she was trying to shape policy?
If so, that does bring up an interesting question - does a First Lady/Gentleman have the right to use their position as a political power base? And I specifically mean based on being the spouse of a President - I don't mean the "well, they are a citizen and a voter, they have as much right as anyone" response.
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Posted: 03/12/06 - 09:07 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | Ms. Jenn wrote: | | I believe she was an innovative First Lady and applaud her for trying to accomplish the unthinkable while her husband was in office and she suffering great ridicule for it. |
Other than her push to get a Canadian form of socialized medicine here, what did she do that you saw as innovative (which I'd describe as doing or proposing something no First Lady has done)? Or was it the perception she was trying to shape policy? |
Yes to both. It is the perception that most First Ladies are not supposed to be involved in the true running of our country and she clearly seemed to be a second hand. I have also read several reviews to her book that take about her inroads as a woman and some of her passions. I personally have not read her book.
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If so, that does bring up an interesting question - does a First Lady/Gentleman have the right to use their position as a political power base? And I specifically mean based on being the spouse of a President - I don't mean the "well, they are a citizen and a voter, they have as much right as anyone" response. |
I believe they do, though decorum would dictate they keep their mouth shut if their political base is different than their spouse.
Spouses rely on one another for all the major decisions in their life, or they should. Help one another make decisions. I don't believe for one second that ends in politics.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 03/12/06 - 11:31 Post subject:
I agree, I think the perception is that if they want to hawk libraries or reading or some other do-gooder avocation, that's great. But anything else and we resent it.
However, remember that things like breast cancer and addiction to alcohol/drugs only became acceptable topics when a First Lady had to deal with them, so maybe that position deserves a bigger platform than we currently allow it.
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Posted: 03/12/06 - 13:40 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | I agree, I think the perception is that if they want to hawk libraries or reading or some other do-gooder avocation, that's great. But anything else and we resent it.
However, remember that things like breast cancer and addiction to alcohol/drugs only became acceptable topics when a First Lady had to deal with them, so maybe that position deserves a bigger platform than we currently allow it. |
Then the position needs to be voted in then, or appointed. And if it's appointed, then I'd have to say it would be reasonable that it isn't filled by a spouse. How would the liberals cry if GWB said Laura doesn't want a platform and he appointed Jeb? First lady is NOT an office. Do we hear of first men pushing agendas through their wives elected offices? (and I'm talking governship here, obviously).
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 03/12/06 - 19:07 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: |
Then the position needs to be voted in then, or appointed. And if it's appointed, then I'd have to say it would be reasonable that it isn't filled by a spouse. How would the liberals cry if GWB said Laura doesn't want a platform and he appointed Jeb? First lady is NOT an office. Do we hear of first men pushing agendas through their wives elected offices? (and I'm talking governship here, obviously). |
I disagree; it's not a gov position, it's more one of a good-will ambassador.
This has nothing to do with which side of the political spectrum one finds oneself, and the very fact that there will never be a First Gentleman means the position won't ever get treated with a view toward its potential, only a nod toward the unspoken limitations of it.
But this is all off-topic. How would you describe Hillary was the question.
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