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jrjo
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 Posted: 11/17/04 - 11:55 Post subject:
I know the topic is meandering a bit, but thought I'd add a few thoughts. Some of the 'costs' of same-sex marriages in terms of healthcare coverage could be from the gay segment of the population as a whole. It probably goes without citing numbers that HIV and AIDS is more predominant and being an 'expensive' disease in terms of healthcare and it's incurability, a healthcare plan group bringing in more gays would at some point end up with higher costs and thus higher premiums.
And another cost that I don't think many people outside the human-resourses world realize is the cost of administration. When people change plans, change spouses, marital change has costs attached to all the manpower to get paperwork and documentation done. There's COBRA when employment changes and when spouses divorce. Again, I think it's a commonly known statistic that gay relationships are much shorter term when compared to married men-women.
Just a couple things off the top of my head. 
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 11:56 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | I know the topic is meandering a bit, but thought I'd add a few thoughts. Some of the 'costs' of same-sex marriages in terms of healthcare coverage could be from the gay segment of the population as a whole. It probably goes without citing numbers that HIV and AIDS is more predominant and being an 'expensive' disease in terms of healthcare and it's incurability, a healthcare plan group bringing in more gays would at some point end up with higher costs and thus higher premiums.
And another cost that I don't think many people outside the human-resourses world realize is the cost of administration. When people change plans, change spouses, marital change has costs attached to all the manpower to get paperwork and documentation done. There's COBRA when employment changes and when spouses divorce. Again, I think it's a commonly known statistic that gay relationships are much shorter term when compared to married men-women.
Just a couple things off the top of my head. |
Could you be so kind as to reference where I might be able to find this statistic?
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jrjo
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 11:59 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | Could you be so kind as to reference where I might be able to find this statistic? |
I've heard it quite a few times. I'll get googling later if I have the time.
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:02 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: |
I've heard it quite a few times. I'll get googling later if I have the time. |
That would be great. I will do so as well because I have never heard of anything remotely like that and I would be curious as to how such statistics are gathered since gay couples are unable to marry or divorce thus resulting in a lack of hard data.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:09 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | I know the topic is meandering a bit, but thought I'd add a few thoughts. Some of the 'costs' of same-sex marriages in terms of healthcare coverage could be from the gay segment of the population as a whole. It probably goes without citing numbers that HIV and AIDS is more predominant and being an 'expensive' disease in terms of healthcare and it's incurability, a healthcare plan group bringing in more gays would at some point end up with higher costs and thus higher premiums.
And another cost that I don't think many people outside the human-resourses world realize is the cost of administration. When people change plans, change spouses, marital change has costs attached to all the manpower to get paperwork and documentation done. There's COBRA when employment changes and when spouses divorce. Again, I think it's a commonly known statistic that gay relationships are much shorter term when compared to married men-women.
Just a couple things off the top of my head. |
I believe the topic is Polygamy. Same sex marriage repercusions might be worthy of another thread unless you are citing AIDS occurrances and breakups of polygamists.
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:10 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | I know the topic is meandering a bit, but thought I'd add a few thoughts. Some of the 'costs' of same-sex marriages in terms of healthcare coverage could be from the gay segment of the population as a whole. It probably goes without citing numbers that HIV and AIDS is more predominant and being an 'expensive' disease in terms of healthcare and it's incurability, a healthcare plan group bringing in more gays would at some point end up with higher costs and thus higher premiums.
And another cost that I don't think many people outside the human-resourses world realize is the cost of administration. When people change plans, change spouses, marital change has costs attached to all the manpower to get paperwork and documentation done. There's COBRA when employment changes and when spouses divorce. Again, I think it's a commonly known statistic that gay relationships are much shorter term when compared to married men-women.Just a couple things off the top of my head. |
but are gay relationships shorter because they are gay relationships or because society tells us that it is not a valuable relationship? I think we don't know that for sure. I'm not sure that the increase in admin costs seen from same-sex marriages would be a huge increase over hetero marriages. it is possible that because of HIV and Aids, there would be an increase in insurance costs. I don't think Aids is just a "gay" disease anymore.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:11 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | | And for the record, I am very much against polygamy and fail to understand the psychological reasons that would lead a woman to that choice, religion aside. |
I've often wondered what drives these women into these situations. From the few specials I've seen on Dateline and others, it seems like they are almost brainwashed.
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jrjo
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:12 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | That would be great. I will do so as well because I have never heard of anything remotely like that and I would be curious as to how such statistics are gathered since gay couples are unable to marry or divorce thus resulting in a lack of hard data. |
..made it back from Google.
The Sexual Lifestyles of Gay and Bisexual Men in England and Wales, HMSO, 1992, page 11
States that "the average length of a closed homosexual relationship was 21 months. “Closed” meant that monogamy had been maintained in the past month."
And there's probably more when dug into. Of course, "hard data" isn't going to be available, so studies/samples are going to be the only source of statistics.
Anyway, my point being if the average out there lies somewhere around 21-months, that's an employer headache to be changing HR records every other year for the 'average' gay employee.
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:12 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: |
I believe the topic is Polygamy. Same sex marriage repercusions might be worthy of another thread unless you are citing AIDS occurrances and breakups of polygamists. |
You are totally right....I just couldn't help myself 
See new topic 
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:33 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: |
I've often wondered what drives these women into these situations. From the few specials I've seen on Dateline and others, it seems like they are almost brainwashed. |
It always makes me think that their sense of "self" must be through the floor, or else the brainwashing makes sense too.
Also, if they view relations with a spouse as merely a manner of procreation, then, I would understand about sharing that "job" with others.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:34 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: |
It always makes me think that their sense of "self" must be through the floor, or else the brainwashing makes sense too.
Also, if they view relations with a spouse as merely a manner of procreation, then, I would understand about sharing that "job" with others. |
Exactly. It seems to me you have to have very little sense of self, grounding if you will, to be susceptable to brainwashing. I just don't understand what these women are getting from this relationship. But then too, I think its almost incestuous, lots of sisters involved.
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 12:49 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: |
Exactly. It seems to me you have to have very little sense of self, grounding if you will, to be susceptable to brainwashing. I just don't understand what these women are getting from this relationship. But then too, I think its almost incestuous, lots of sisters involved. |
It makes you want to question the mindset of the males involved as well. Are they that virile that one woman won't satisfy? Do they have that much of a "god" complex??
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 13:16 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: |
It makes you want to question the mindset of the males involved as well. Are they that virile that one woman won't satisfy? Do they have that much of a "god" complex?? |
I don't understand the male mindset either in a polygamous relationship. Whe the hell someone would want to have be driven nuts by more than one wife is beyond me.....
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 13:31 Post subject:
put in other thread
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Posted: 11/17/04 - 13:58 Post subject:
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I don't understand the male mindset either in a polygamous relationship. Whe the hell someone would want to have be driven nuts by more than one wife is beyond me..... |
And with the same thought, why would I share the man I adore with another woman? I'm not that secure in myself.... 
I could not imagine all those women PMSing at the same time, either.
I did read about that town on the border where all the hierarchy is a break-off Mormon sect. Even the cops enforce the "Church" laws before they enforce Nat'l/state/local laws. And if the males don't comply with the polygamy , everything--inlcuding property, wife, children are taken and "given" to someone else.
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