Political Correctness strikes again... in a public school
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andydp
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 Posted: 10/06/04 - 10:16 Post subject:
Once again, the extremes seem to be winning.
I'm certain if it was a photo of Gore, parents of the opposite spectrum would have complained. Both sides conveniently ignoring the fact whoever's photo is there, was/is a President of the USA. You cannot change that. Sounds to me like that was just a "non partisan" display. School admin was wrong wrong wrong. That is why there are unions - to keep frivolous stuff from escalating. << Sonny, note I said frivolous...
Sonny is correct: YOU LOSE ALL "RIGHTS" WHEN YOU STEP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY as an employee or visitor (like to a mall). Unfortunately, some bosses see this as their mandate to make sure everyone else thinks their way too. While this may make that employer look "bad" in some places, a good lawyer will tell you right off its his right to do that on his property.
Sonny please note I have NOT said everyone is guaranteed a job or should get lifetime employment nor have I said Government needs to step in.
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Posted: 10/06/04 - 11:04 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: |
Sonny is correct: YOU LOSE ALL "RIGHTS" WHEN YOU STEP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY as an employee or visitor (like to a mall). Unfortunately, some bosses see this as their mandate to make sure everyone else thinks their way too. While this may make that employer look "bad" in some places, a good lawyer will tell you right off its his right to do that on his property.
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All rights? Do you mean, every right? What about these:
inalienable
adj 1: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" [syn: unalienable] [ant: alienable] 2: not subject to forfeiture; "an unforfeitable right" [syn: unforfeitable]
If I go into a mall, I've forfeited my right to life? (Face it, after my life is taken from me, I don't give a damn 'bout no liberty, much less freedom...and I shan't be pursuing any happiness.)
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andydp
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Posted: 10/06/04 - 11:28 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | andydp wrote: |
Sonny is correct: YOU LOSE ALL "RIGHTS" WHEN YOU STEP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY as an employee or visitor (like to a mall). Unfortunately, some bosses see this as their mandate to make sure everyone else thinks their way too. While this may make that employer look "bad" in some places, a good lawyer will tell you right off its his right to do that on his property.
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All rights? Do you mean, every right? What about these:
inalienable
adj 1: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" [syn: unalienable] [ant: alienable] 2: not subject to forfeiture; "an unforfeitable right" [syn: unforfeitable]
If I go into a mall, I've forfeited my right to life? (Face it, after my life is taken from me, I don't give a damn 'bout no liberty, much less freedom...and I shan't be pursuing any happiness.) |
The Yiddish term that comes to my mind is pilpul. Basically it means being nitpicky about each and every nuance in a word or statement.
To clarify: when you enter private property as an employee or visitor you give up most of the rights you have under the US Constitution. In other words, it is the right of the property owner to bar you from coming on their property with a political sign. A property owner has the right to search your locker at any time without probable cause. A business owner can, in most states, fire you without having to show cause. This is called an "at will" employent law. A busines owner who has a no smoking rule at work can fire you for cigarette smoking at home. NYS had to enact a law making that illegal.
Since you chose the "right to life"... A review of case laws will also show you a property owner can kill if you are on their property and they think you are a threat to them or their family.
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msparks
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Posted: 10/06/04 - 13:10 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | msparks wrote: | | andydp wrote: |
Sonny is correct: YOU LOSE ALL "RIGHTS" WHEN YOU STEP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY as an employee or visitor (like to a mall). Unfortunately, some bosses see this as their mandate to make sure everyone else thinks their way too. While this may make that employer look "bad" in some places, a good lawyer will tell you right off its his right to do that on his property.
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All rights? Do you mean, every right? What about these:
inalienable
adj 1: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" [syn: unalienable] [ant: alienable] 2: not subject to forfeiture; "an unforfeitable right" [syn: unforfeitable]
If I go into a mall, I've forfeited my right to life? (Face it, after my life is taken from me, I don't give a damn 'bout no liberty, much less freedom...and I shan't be pursuing any happiness.) |
The Yiddish term that comes to my mind is pilpul. Basically it means being nitpicky about each and every nuance in a word or statement.
To clarify: when you enter private property as an employee or visitor you give up most of the rights you have under the US Constitution. In other words, it is the right of the property owner to bar you from coming on their property with a political sign. A property owner has the right to search your locker at any time without probable cause. A business owner can, in most states, fire you without having to show cause. This is called an "at will" employent law. A busines owner who has a no smoking rule at work can fire you for cigarette smoking at home. NYS had to enact a law making that illegal.
Since you chose the "right to life"... A review of case laws will also show you a property owner can kill if you are on their property and they think you are a threat to them or their family. |
And the English words which come to mind are inexact or exaggerated.
There's no dispute with the statement that being on private property means that you're giving up most of the rights listed in the U.S. Constitution.
I just wasn't aware that this was an exercise in hyperbole. Sorry.
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Posted: 10/06/04 - 13:15 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | msparks wrote: | | andydp wrote: |
Sonny is correct: YOU LOSE ALL "RIGHTS" WHEN YOU STEP ON PRIVATE PROPERTY as an employee or visitor (like to a mall). Unfortunately, some bosses see this as their mandate to make sure everyone else thinks their way too. While this may make that employer look "bad" in some places, a good lawyer will tell you right off its his right to do that on his property.
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All rights? Do you mean, every right? What about these:
inalienable
adj 1: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" [syn: unalienable] [ant: alienable] 2: not subject to forfeiture; "an unforfeitable right" [syn: unforfeitable]
If I go into a mall, I've forfeited my right to life? (Face it, after my life is taken from me, I don't give a damn 'bout no liberty, much less freedom...and I shan't be pursuing any happiness.) |
The Yiddish term that comes to my mind is pilpul. Basically it means being nitpicky about each and every nuance in a word or statement.
To clarify: when you enter private property as an employee or visitor you give up most of the rights you have under the US Constitution. In other words, it is the right of the property owner to bar you from coming on their property with a political sign. A property owner has the right to search your locker at any time without probable cause. A business owner can, in most states, fire you without having to show cause. This is called an "at will" employent law. A busines owner who has a no smoking rule at work can fire you for cigarette smoking at home. NYS had to enact a law making that illegal.
Since you chose the "right to life"... A review of case laws will also show you a property owner can kill if you are on their property and they think you are a threat to them or their family. |
thank you for making my point better then I seem to be doing myself.
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andydp
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Posted: 10/06/04 - 13:16 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | And the English words which come to mind are inexact or exaggerated.
There's no dispute with the statement that being on private property means that you're giving up most of the rights listed in the U.S. Constitution.
I just wasn't aware that this was an exercise in hyperbole. Sorry. |
Sorry msparks, like you, I was just trying to make a point.
I realize now I was incorrect in saying "all rights". It should have been "most rights".
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