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copteacher
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 Posted: 01/21/04 - 08:07 Post subject: Permission slip and no expiration date
Classic lines Mr. President.
Great speech.
With you all the way sir.
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Maddies Wench
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 09:11 Post subject:
We are?
I'm more like...
Library Pass
Make good use of it.
Do what you gotta, but I'm watching you, Mr. President.
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genie
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 12:16 Post subject: Re: Permission slip and no expiration date
| rtpd113 wrote: | Classic lines Mr. President.
Great speech.
With you all the way sir. |
We don' need no steenkin' permission slips!!! 
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RunTexas
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 12:23 Post subject:
Some people just don't get it. 
We are a sovereign nation. Which means we don't depend on non-freedom loving nations to dictate our actions. We have a right to close our borders to anyone we see fit. We also have a right to KILL anyone who would murder almost 4,000 AMERICANS....and would stop at nothing to make Sept. 11th look like a small event.
As for the "library card" comment. I guess a guy who graduated from both Yale and Harvard but but refuses to speak with the pompous ramblings of Ted "drunken murderer" Kennedy just isn't your type of guy.
My favorite line...... "Nine months of intense negotiations involving the United States and Great Britain succeeded with Libya, while 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq did not. And one reason is clear: For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible. And no one can now doubt the word of America."
In other words "Put up or Shut up"....We'll, the UN did alot of NOTHING (as is it's legacy). We "PUT UP".
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 12:32 Post subject:
I just read the text. Oh. My. God. Typical rah rah stuff. To avoid a fight here I limit my comments. Interesting that half the speech revolved around the "war on terror", though it did serve its purpose: to get the national eye off of flailing domestic policy. No Child Left Behind is a joke - interesting that he's still trying to sell it as a viable means to save public education, instead of admitting it's instead killing it. The amounts quoted for senior citizen healthcare is a drop in the bucket - being in the industry, Medicaid/Medicare and prescription cards aren't really helping the elderly. Their RXs are ridiculously expensive. There needs to be something bigger and better to help the medical financial plight of the American elderly. The Defense of Marriage Act is offensive, only eclipsed by El Jefe appalling statement "The same moral tradition that defines marriage also teaches that each individual has dignity and value in God's sight". I'm interested to see how the prisoner reentry program will work, though. I do wonder, however, how the rest of the world view his statement "America is committed to keeping the world's most dangerous weapons out of the hands of the world's most dangerous regimes". I bet they see us as hypocritical and self righteous.
<duck> I'm gonna go hide now.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 12:37 Post subject:
I also liked the international "need" for the coaltion. He then listed all of the countries. It was classic, even when he was interupted by applause. He named more after it stopped.
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RunTexas
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 12:45 Post subject:
What I find offensive is the Demorats sitting on their hands when Bush was talking about tax cuts for "Every American Who Pays Taxes". Lousy no good theives. It's MY money!!! It's not YOURS to distribute how you please!! 10%...that's enough. There would be alot more mothers at home with there children if the government didn't rape our wallets every two weeks.
As far as the Marriage Amendment...it's long overdue. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. And NO American should be made to feel like a bigot because they find another's behavior socially destructive.
But thank God we live in a country where we have a vote. The people will decide what's best. (To the dismay of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and a few other judges)
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 13:02 Post subject:
| RunTexas wrote: | What I find offensive is the Demorats sitting on their hands when Bush was talking about tax cuts for "Every American Who Pays Taxes". Lousy no good theives. It's MY money!!! It's not YOURS to distribute how you please!! 10%...that's enough. There would be alot more mothers at home with there children if the government didn't rape our wallets every two weeks.
As far as the Marriage Amendment...it's long overdue. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. And NO American should be made to feel like a bigot because they find another's behavior socially destructive.
But thank God we live in a country where we have a vote. The people will decide what's best. (To the dismay of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and a few other judges) |
Various thoughts, and i'm trying really hard not to turn this thread into a war that doesn't really need to be fought here.
If everyone paid the same percentage in taxes, including large corporations, there would not likely be all of the discussion and argument about taxes. Sure, taxes suck, but if a large company can pay a smaller percentage of taxes than i do....that's not right.
Marriage amendment: I agree with you in that we all have a vote, and it should be our votes that decide whether or not this amendment happens. My personal view is that it is not any of my business who wants to get married, and to which gender. I do agree with your statement where you say that no American should be made to feel a bigot. That is one problem i have with the ACLU, it seems that Christianity is the one group it is socially acceptable to persecute.
We all do have a vote, but it doesn't matter if the majority of Americans vote for a candidate. The electoral college system means that one man can have a majority (even a plurality) of the votes and not win the presidential election. Every single person in the state of Minnesota can vote for Bush, giving him a huge majority in votes. If the other states (particularily the large ones) vote for the democratic candidate with a majority of just a few hundred votes each, Bush will have millions of votes more than the other candidate and still lose the election by a large margin.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 13:06 Post subject:
| RunTexas wrote: | | But thank God we live in a country where we have a vote. The people will decide what's best. |
But its sad to say that less than half of the eligible voters actually cast a ballot.
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RunTexas
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 13:55 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: | Various thoughts, and I’m trying really hard not to turn this thread into a war that doesn't really need to be fought here.
If everyone paid the same percentage in taxes, including large corporations, there would not likely be all of the discussion and argument about taxes. Sure, taxes suck, but if a large company can pay a smaller percentage of taxes than i do....that's not right. |
I agree 100%. EVERYONE including corps should pay a flat rate
| Pug wrote: | | Marriage Amendment: I agree with you in that we all have a vote, and it should be our votes that decide whether or not this amendment happens. My personal view is that it is not any of my business who wants to get married, and to which gender. I do agree with your statement where you say that no American should be made to feel a bigot. That is one problem i have with the ACLU, it seems that Christianity is the one group it is socially acceptable to persecute. |
It's well known that a HUGE majority of Americans do not support the idea of gay marriage. And I agree with you...what two human beings do in the privacy of their own home is their business. But I do not agree with that union when they are allowed the same benefits and privileges of a heterosexual married couple. Once again, tolerance does not mean acceptance. And I believe that this is a activity that is detrimental to a moral, safe and productive society.
I also need to say that I am not some crazy conservative uneducated Southerner so far removed from exposure to homosexuals that my reality is skewed. I am well traveled, I read more than anyone you'll ever meet and I have a family member that is a lesbian. And I love her with all my heart.... I would do anything for her. And although she is also a well educated loving person, I have been exposed to the actions and beliefs of those in her world. Many of their opinions of American culture as well as the behavior they practice is NOTHING I want for my country. And I believe these traits to be the norm in their community. No thanks...not on my watch
| Pug wrote: | | We all do have a vote, but it doesn't matter if the majority of Americans vote for a candidate. The electoral college system means that one man can have a majority (even a plurality) of the votes and not win the presidential election. Every single person in the state of Minnesota can vote for Bush, giving him a huge majority in votes. If the other states (particularly the large ones) vote for the democratic candidate with a majority of just a few hundred votes each, Bush will have millions of votes more than the other candidate and still lose the election by a large margin. |
The electoral college makes sure that everyone’s vote, no matter the population of their state, holds equal power. America was built on the idea that State's Rights are supreme to the national agenda. (Don't get me started on the civil war).
The electoral college is a GOOD thing...just ask Montana and Wyoming.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 13:57 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | But its sad to say that less than half of the eligible voters actually cast a ballot. |
If they are too lazy or apathetic to vote, we wouldn't want their vote anyway.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 15:20 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: | | If everyone paid the same percentage in taxes, including large corporations, there would not likely be all of the discussion and argument about taxes. |
If you think corporations actually pay taxes, I've got some ocean front property to sell you in Minnesota.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 15:27 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | Pug wrote: | | If everyone paid the same percentage in taxes, including large corporations, there would not likely be all of the discussion and argument about taxes. |
If you think corporations actually pay taxes, I've got some ocean front property to sell you in Minnesota. |
Never said they did. I said if they did. I understand they don't.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 15:44 Post subject:
Then what was your point?
You were the one comparing taxes (individuals vs. corporations). Here is your direct quote:
| Quote: | If everyone paid the same percentage in taxes, including large corporations, there would not likely be all of the discussion and argument about taxes. Sure, taxes suck, but if a large company can pay a smaller percentage of taxes than i do....that's not right.
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Posted: 01/21/04 - 15:51 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | | No Child Left Behind is a joke - interesting that he's still trying to sell it as a viable means to save public education, instead of admitting it's instead killing it. |
The NEA is what's killing education, and nothing else. That organization has done more harm than good almost since its inception. NCLB sounds good on paper but it isn't practical....but the premise needs to be worked on because our educational system needs a damn complete overhaul. There is no reason why kids should be graduating from high school still unable to read.
| Quote: | | The Defense of Marriage Act is offensive, only eclipsed by El Jefe appalling statement "The same moral tradition that defines marriage also teaches that each individual has dignity and value in God's sight". |
As a certified card-carrying wingnut, this is one of the biggest beefs I have with the Republican party. I'm right there with them on fiscal issues and keeping MY hard earned money in MY pocket, but as far as the social stuff, and things like stem cell research, etc.....they need to stop letting their religious convictions influence governmental policy. This isn't the Middle Ages and the church is not and should not be the governing body for ANY reason. What faith a person wants to have is their business, and IMHO everyone's welcome to it, but don't let it influence policies that are going to affect my life--isn't that basically going against "separation of church and state?" They say the church is no longer making the laws, but then why is the religious right trying to force their beliefs on us all?
Sorry fellow wingnuts, that's one piece of our platform that I think needs to be reworked. 
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