Paris Burning: How Empires End :: RunningForums.com

Interesting take on the situation in France (and Europe). Too many folks from 3rd world countries want to immigrate to North America or Europe. We can't afford to take them all, even if we wanted to. I fear that the days are numbered for the truly free countries of the West.

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By Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted Nov 7, 2005

The Romans conquered the barbarians—and the barbarians conquered Rome.

So it goes with empires. And comes now the penultimate chapter in the history of the empires of the West.

This is the larger meaning of the ritual murder of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, the subway bombings in London, the train bombings in Madrid, the Paris riots spreading across France. The perpetrators of these crimes in the capitals of Europe are the children of immigrants who were once the colonial subjects of the European empires.

At this writing, the riots are entering their 12th night and have spread to Rouen, Lille, Marseille, Toulouse, Dijon, Bordeaux, Strasbourg, Cannes, Nice. Thousands of cars and buses have been torched and several nursery schools fire-bombed. One fleeing and terrified woman was doused with gasoline and set ablaze.

The rioters are of Arab and African descent, and Muslim. While almost all are French citizens, they are not part of the French people. For never have they been assimilated into French culture or society. And some wish to remain who and what they are. They live in France but are not French.
The rampage began October 27 when two Arab youths, fleeing what they mistakenly thought was a police pursuit, leapt onto power lines and were electrocuted. The two deaths ignited the riots.

Interior Minister Nicholas Sarkozy, a candidate to succeed President Chirac, is said to have infuriated and inflamed the rioters. Before the rampage began, he promised “war without mercy” on crime in the teeming suburbs where unemployment runs at 20% and income is 40% below the national average. He has denounced the rioters as “scum” and “rabble.”

Like the urban riots in America in the 1960s, which the Kerner Commission blamed on “white racism,” Paris’s riots are being blamed on France’s failure to bring Islamic immigrants into the social and economic mainstream of the nation. Solutions being offered range from voting rights for non-citizens to affirmative action in hiring for the children of Third World immigrants.

To understand why this is unlikely to solve France’s crisis, consider how America succeeded, and often failed, in solving her own racial crisis.
While, as late as the 1950s, black Americans were not integrated fully into our economy or society, they had been assimilated into American culture.

They worshipped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, listened to the same music and radio, watched the same TV shows, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same books, magazines and newspapers, and went to schools where, even when they were segregated, they learned the same history.

We were divided, but we were also one nation and one people. Black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in our common land longer than almost every other ethnic group save Native Americans. And America had a history of having assimilated immigrants in the tens of millions from Europe.

But no European nation has ever assimilated a large body of immigrant peoples, let alone people of color. Moreover, the African and Islamic peoples pouring into Europe—there are 20 million there now—are, unlike black Americans, strangers in a new land, and millions wish to remain proud Algerians, Muslims, Moroccans.

These newcomers worship a different God and practice a faith historically hostile to Christianity, a traditionalist faith that is rising again and recoils violently from a secular culture saturated in sex.

Severed from the civilization and cultures of their parents, these Arab and Muslim youth may hold French citizenship and carry French passports, but they are no more French than Americans who live in Paris are French. Searching for a community to which they can truly belong, they gravitate to mosques where the imams, many themselves immigrants, teach and preach that the West is not their true home, but a civilization alien to their values and historically hostile to their nations and Islam.

The soaring Muslim population is a Fifth Column inside Europe.

Nevertheless, their numbers must grow. For not only do they have a higher birth rate than the native-born Europeans, no European nation, save Moslem Albania, has a birth rate (2.1 births per woman) that will enable it to endure for many more generations. The West is aging, shrinking, and dying.

Yet, to keep Europe’s economy growing and taxes coming in to fund the health and pension programs of Europe’s rising numbers of retired and elderly, Europe needs scores of millions of new workers. And Europe can only find them in the Third World.

Nor should Americans take comfort in France’s distress. By 2050, there will be 100 million Hispanics in the United States, half of them of Mexican ancestry, heavily concentrated in a Southwest most Mexicans still believe by right belongs to them.

Colonization of the mother countries by subject peoples is the last chapter in the history of empires—and the next chapter in the history of the West—that is now coming to a close.

Mr. Buchanan is a nationally syndicated columnist and author of The Death of the West, The Great Betrayal, and A Republic, Not an Empire.

Soooo......nations are changing as are cultures. Such is what happens throughout history.

What, exactly, is your point?

Pug wrote:

Soooo......nations are changing as are cultures. Such is what happens throughout history.

What, exactly, is your point?

When a healthy percentage of one particular culture wants to wipe another one off the face of the earth - I don't think it's acceptable or healthy.

sonnylax wrote:

Pug wrote:

Soooo......nations are changing as are cultures. Such is what happens throughout history.

What, exactly, is your point?

When a healthy percentage of one particular culture wants to wipe another one off the face of the earth - I don't think it's acceptable or healthy.

Considering what our ancestors did to Native Americans, we're pretty much in a glass house here.

kristin31 wrote:

Considering what our ancestors did to Native Americans, we're pretty much in a glass house here.

Just me, but I take no credit/blame for 'ancestors'. My ancestors at that time were getting invaded and plundered unceasingly by Russian troops crossing the border into Finland.

..the whole planet is a 'house of glass'.

What happens if the French ask for our help?

sonnylax wrote:

Pug wrote:

Soooo......nations are changing as are cultures. Such is what happens throughout history.

What, exactly, is your point?

When a healthy percentage of one particular culture wants to wipe another one off the face of the earth - I don't think it's acceptable or healthy.

What defines a healthy percentage?

prohemp wrote:

What happens if the French ask for our help?

hmm

I don't profess to understand how exactly the government is set up in France but from all the reports I've read, only the police have responded to date. I would think that the next step would be to involve their military. For their sake, I hope that there won't be a need to ask other countries for help. Having said that, if they need to wouldn't you think they would ask EU countries for help?

Sahara wrote:

prohemp wrote:

What happens if the French ask for our help?

Heh. If their military can't handle an uprising of punks they probably would be too embarrassed to ask for help from EU countries.

Sahara wrote:

prohemp wrote:

What happens if the French ask for our help?

perhaps - do you think the french (government) is in too much denial about the situation to help themselves let alone ask outsiders?

prohemp wrote:

Sahara wrote:

prohemp wrote:

What happens if the French ask for our help?

perhaps - do you think the french (government) is in too much denial about the situation to help themselves let alone ask outsiders?

That might be true. Afterall, how many nights in a row has this gone on?

seems to me that many conservatives instead of railing on the 'immigration' problem should be attacking the concept that a state centered economy can provide prosperity for all...

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megawill

The following viewpoint that I've yet to hear expressed but I think probably has some merit was written by Phillip Gordon a senior fellow from the Brookings Institute and appears in the The New Republic:

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There is, in fact, no evidence that the riots were instigated, endorsed, or supported by radical Muslim groups or clerics. On the contrary, calls by some clerics for calm have been utterly ignored by kids for whom the strictures of conservative Islam have rather less appeal than a night on the town. Nor for that matter were the riots triggered by events in Iraq, Israel, or anywhere else in the Middle East but instead by news closer to home--the accidental deaths of two young men reportedly running away from the cops. In this sense the riots are much more similar to the Los Angeles riots of 1992 than to the Madrid bombings of 2004 or the London bombings of this past summer. Just as many African Americans put themselves in the shoes of Rodney King and said, that could have been me, young Arabs throughout France realize that they, too, would have run from the police.

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megawill

France Facing 'Horrendous' Balance Sheet

From MICHEL GURFINKIEL (Mr. Gurfinkiel is the editor of Valeurs Actuelles, a Paris-based journal.)

MICHEL GURFINKIEL wrote:

Still, more factors may have played as well. The government may have been genuinely surprised and intimidated. It is one thing to know in theory that France has undergone major ethnic changes over the past 30 years and another thing altogether to confront a mass ethnic insurgency. The figures are inescapable. There are about 60 million inhabitants in continental France, plus 2 million citizens in the overseas territories (essentially the French West Indies and La Reunion island in the Indian Ocean). About 20 million, most of them white and Christian, are over 50.

Out of the remaining 40 million or so, 10 million or so belong to the ethnic minorities: Muslim North Africans, Muslim Turks or Near Easterners, Muslim Black Africans, Christian West Indian, African or Reunionese blacks. When one regards to the youngest age brackets, the proportion is even larger. It is estimated that 35% of all French inhabitants under 20, and 50% of all inhabitants in the major urban centers, belong to the ethnic minorities. Islam alone may claim respectively 30% and 45%. Since war is essentially the business of youths, the combatant ratio in any ethnic war may thus be one to one.

Which brings us to a second question: How ethnic is the present violence in France? Liberal commentators, both in France and abroad, tend to say that poverty and unemployment, rather than race or religion, are the driving force behind the riots. Mr. Villepin himself tends to share this view, at least in part. He said yesterday on TV that he is earmarking enormous credits for housing rehabilitation, education, and state-supported jobs in the areas where the unrest has developed. But the fact remains that only ethnic youths are rioting, that most of them explicitly pledge allegiance to Islam and such Muslim heroes as Osama bin Laden, that the Islamic motto - Allahu Akbar - is usually their war cry, and that they submit only to archconservative or radical imams.

The fact also remains, according to many witnesses, that the rioters torch only "white" cars, meaning white owned cars, and spare "Islamic" or "black" ones. One way to discriminate between them is to look for ethnic signs like a sticker with Koranic verses or a picture of the Kaaba in Mekka or a stylized map of Africa. Further evidence of the animating influence in the riots lies with the French rap music to which the perpetrators listen. Such music obsessively describes White France as a sexual prey.

A third and last question is what impact this unprecedented ordeal is likely to have on France and Europe? One would reasonably expect the French government to restore its grip over the country. What matters, however, is the long-term outcome. My guess is that the crisis will not be so easily forgotten or washed away among the "non-ethnic" citizens, including those of alien stock who have fully integrated into the French society as it is. Rejection of Islam and of North African, Black African, and Middle Eastern immigration may increase dramatically. And the prospect of Turkey acceding to the European Union may get even dimmer.

P.S. When the riots broke out in LA after Rodney King in '92, 300+ American cities didn't burn all over the country. There is little to compare with these two situations.

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