Ok, so I'm negative because...
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brie k
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 Posted: 01/07/04 - 15:53 Post subject: Ok, so I'm negative because...
I happen to believe in Bible prophecy which says something to the effect that there will be no peace between all nations (not sure exactly, Dad always translates & informs me). I'm having this discussion with a girlfriend about first airplane security (I don't like that we cannot go into the terminal with John when he leaves for Phoenix on Saturday. I understand it, just don't like it), which gets us into 9/11, which she compares to Pearl Harbor (which I disagree with, and perhaps I am the wrong one here) which leads to how she hopes that someday there will be peace, and leads to me saying that there won't be, because of all that biblical stuff, which leads to her telling me how negative I am.
Ok, so let me get this straight. Because I have put my faith in a book that many people DO hold in high esteem, and because I do believe in God, I'm negative. Oh, ok.
Steff is one of the most negative people I know. I really felt like she was being a pot there...
Conversation ended badly, because I explain that if she really feels that I'm so negative, why even bother calling? I let her rant for a bit, then she said she wouldn't be calling again, and she hung up. Part of me is sad because I don't feel this should have gotten so blown out of proportion over a stupid what began as an airport rant, but the other part of me is a bit relieved. I don't know how many times I get off the phone with her feeling badly about something. She makes my head hurt.
I am negative about some things, and not always the most hopeful person in the world. I guess I'm a bit cynical. It was just her definition of what makes me negative that bothered me I guess.
<sigh> I do have a tremendous headache now. urg!
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Posted: 01/07/04 - 16:09 Post subject:
Sorry brie...personally I find you to be a very positive person. 
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Posted: 01/07/04 - 17:04 Post subject:
Probably you've talked about all this before so it's clear to others, but I haven't read it if you have, and thus a lot of what you've written above makes no sense to me. However, I don't think of you as a negative person at all. In fact, I think mothers are pretty realistic in their assessments of things (we have to be) and if that comes across as negative, tough. But I really don't think you're negative.
A negative person would have left it for the plumber.
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brie k
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Posted: 01/07/04 - 17:52 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Probably you've talked about all this before so it's clear to others, but I haven't read it if you have, and thus a lot of what you've written above makes no sense to me. However, I don't think of you as a negative person at all. In fact, I think mothers are pretty realistic in their assessments of things (we have to be) and if that comes across as negative, tough. But I really don't think you're negative.
A negative person would have left it for the plumber. |
No, it really is all jumbled up there and makes no sense. It's just a conversation that I had with Steff which began with the airport security issue first, then lead to another topic, which lead to another topic, which lead finally to my sharing my belief in biblical prophecy, at which point I became a negative person to Steff because I don't believe there will ever be peace on earth. It really just hit me hard that she just came out and said that to me, based on THAT, my religious beliefs, which I think if anything, my believing that there is something beyond this is very positive. 
Note to self: don't post when my head is pounding over pondering of a friend!  It made sense when I was typing.
And thanks for your support!  (you too copdot!!)
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 14:26 Post subject:
I get what you're saying, and no you're not negative. Instead it is a practical viewpoint based on what you believe the Bible says about peace. Throughout the course of history, it appears that peace is the abnormal state, war is normal. We desire peace, but there is never a time in which there are no wars being waged. Human nature what it is, it is safe to assume that there will never be peace over the entire planet at once.
so has she called to apologize yet?
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Posted: 01/08/04 - 14:33 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | I get what you're saying, and no you're not negative. Instead it is a practical viewpoint based on what you believe the Bible says about peace. Throughout the course of history, it appears that peace is the abnormal state, war is normal. We desire peace, but there is never a time in which there are no wars being waged. Human nature what it is, it is safe to assume that there will never be peace over the entire planet at once.
so has she called to apologize yet? |
No, she hasn't called. I know in my heart I should be the bigger person and call her, but I probably won't. Not that I can afford to lose friends, but I have been thinking about all of our conversations, and I don't remember many where I left them feeling good, you know, like a friend sometimes makes you feel? I tried to explain my viewpoint to her, from where it comes, and her response was that she can have an opinion too, and it's that I'm negative. In this case, I felt it was untrue, but further, I thought it was just mean. I'm not sure I want another person in my life who is going to be mean to me and expect me to swallow it because it's their "opinion."
Thanks for your reply.
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 09:39 Post subject:
Brie:
Now I'm no Bible expert but... I have found you can find justification/condemnation for just about anything in the Bible. Look in the right chapter and verse and "voila" there it is...
Now, you talk about being "negative" because one chapter has a statement about "there will never be peace in the world". At the same time, you are ignoring all the other verses that tell you to rejoice, be happy, think positively. Remember: the Lord will bless you and keep you. Shouldn't that be enough to make you happy ?
Wasn't it in Revelation where the "lion shall sleep with the lamb" ? That says peace to me...
Just my two cent's worth. There's more to be happy about in the Bible than to be fearful or sad. Ask yourself, would Jesus want you to be sad or happy ? After all, he proclaimed the "good news".
Andy
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 10:29 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | Brie:
Now I'm no Bible expert but... I have found you can find justification/condemnation for just about anything in the Bible. Look in the right chapter and verse and "voila" there it is...
Now, you talk about being "negative" because one chapter has a statement about "there will never be peace in the world". At the same time, you are ignoring all the other verses that tell you to rejoice, be happy, think positively. Remember: the Lord will bless you and keep you. Shouldn't that be enough to make you happy ?
Wasn't it in Revelation where the "lion shall sleep with the lamb" ? That says peace to me...
Just my two cent's worth. There's more to be happy about in the Bible than to be fearful or sad. Ask yourself, would Jesus want you to be sad or happy ? After all, he proclaimed the "good news".
Andy |
don't want to trump you on this because you have the right idea, there's plenty to be happy about, and the Bible certainly reinforces the idea of being happy and rejoicing in all things.
however, it also tells us that while peace is to be desired, it is very difficult to attain. Isaiah and Revelation use that verse about the Lion and the Lamb, but they are prophetic books: things that are yet to happen.
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Posted: 01/09/04 - 11:03 Post subject:
Keltic:
Thanks. I just wanted to make the point there is much more to be happy about in the Bible than to be sad about. Yes, the lion and lamb verse is a prophecy, but its one of hope.
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