No discussion of Rather-gate?
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copteacher
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 Posted: 09/18/04 - 06:30 Post subject:
how long into the debate will it take JFK to mention his service or something related to it.
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 06:32 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | how long into the debate will it take JFK to mention his service or something related to it. |
Probably not long, but I think most of the American people want to hear both candidates plans for the future. They already know he served in VietNam
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 06:34 Post subject:
what will the over under on it being mention. I bet he mentions it at least 5 times.
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 06:35 Post subject:
I think it drops the VietNam card a few times, as a reference point. 5 may be a little low though
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 07:38 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | how long into the debate will it take JFK to mention his service or something related to it. |
He needs to stay off the subject entirely. I think the entire country including his supporters are tired of hearing about it. What I want to hear is how he is going to bring down the deficit, pay for healthcare for all Americans without bankrupting the country (a noble goal I support but it does need to be funded carefully, not just enacted with no thought of consequences) , and how does he propose to disengage us from the mess in Iraq. No foreign countries are going to all of a sudden jump up and help us just because we changed administrations. He has to have a thought out plan, which I have heard nothing about yet.
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 07:40 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | | how long into the debate will it take JFK to mention his service or something related to it. |
He needs to stay off the subject entirely. I think the entire country including his supporters are tired of hearing about it. What I want to hear is how he is going to bring down the deficit, pay for healthcare for all Americans without bankrupting the country (a noble goal I support but it does need to be funded carefully, not just enacted with no thought of consequences) , and how does he propose to disengage us from the mess in Iraq. No foreign countries are going to all of a sudden jump up and help us just because we changed administrations. He has to have a thought out plan, which I have heard nothing about yet. |
Although I am not a supporter of Kerry, I am interested in hearing his idea's for all this
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 10:41 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: |
shoot. By those standards FDR is the devil himself. He pretty much had the same stance. Oh, except he ignored the rumors about PH--he could have SAVED thousands of lives of military men. He hid his disability until it was impossible to do so. I doubt that he thought being gay was right. And let's not discuss how ss made him a hero in his day so that every other successive president can deal with the beast. LBJ?????? oops....forgot only republican presidents like Reagan (ignoring aids) and GWB (deposing a tyrant) can be evil.
Of course Bush says he would still invade....would you say anything different in his shoes. Let's debate in the real world....really. |
A little historical perspective...
FDR did NOT hide his disability, the PRESS made a pact with itself not to show the president incapacitated. There were many published photos of FDR swimming in the pool in Warm Springs GA.
I forget how many inquiries/investigations/hearings etc there have been on Pearl Harbor. NOT ONE made any direct link with FDR knowing about Pearl Harbor in advance. All FDR knew for sure the Japanese would attack in the Pacific. If you look at a map that's a pretty big area...
As a military person, I am appalled there was no attack warning issued when the first 13 pages of the 14 page intercept were given to him. The warning that was eventually given was so incoherent, it was interpreted differently by the respective commanders in HI. BTW no one makes any mention of Clark Field and its bombing 12 hours AFTER Pearl. MacArthur knew what had happened at Pearl but let his ENTIRE Air Force get destroyed ON THE GROUND.
On to the present day:
I think GW is a pawn in the hands of the neo Conservatives within his government. These are the ones that got us into this mess but of course they can do no wrong. Just as JKF's "Harvard Mafia" could do no wrong - like that pesky Vietnam thing. For my money LBJ just inherited JFK's problem and the advice of McNamara, Rusk and MC George Bundy.
I do think Social Security should get some sort of modernization perhaps even a limit of benefits to people with retirement incomes over $ 100,000
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Posted: 09/18/04 - 20:23 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: | [ LBJ?????? oops....forgot only republican presidents like Reagan (ignoring aids) and GWB (deposing a tyrant) can be evil.
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Although I did not vote for Reagan I don't have any ill will toward him for ignoring aids. A lot of people ignored aids initially and I think people learned a lot from ignorance. He happen to serve at a time when a lot of otherwise sane and intelligent people were very frightened about how this disease was transmitted and whether it could be transferred via handshakes, colds, etc. Reagan was simply a victim of his times. I don't fault people for that although he could have helped do a little more to stop the spread of aids had he been more open minded.
GWB is another matter. Since when did deposing a tyrant become a reason to commit U.S. Military personnel? And if you are going to take that position, why are we not in Sudan, Somalia, China, North Korea and a whole host of other countries. If invading other countries was a consistent U.S. position whether or not they had oil I would be more inclined to agree with you.
And as far LBJ, he admitted to some of his aids he made a bad mistake by escalating the Vietnam War. And he did pay the price by HHH being defeated by Nixon over getting us out of the Vietnam War. Something not unlike what we face with Dubya now.
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Posted: 09/19/04 - 22:20 Post subject:
Defeatjohnjohn.com is offering a $50,000 prize for anyone who can replicate the Killian memos with 1972 or older typewriters. Looks like its 'do or die time' for the CBS flat-earth people.
(This of course, puts aside the inaccurate information contained in the memo's.)
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Posted: 09/20/04 - 06:26 Post subject:
I think you are going to get your admission from CBS that the documents may not be authentic later this morning. I still suspect a Republican plant, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the plant is from right here in Atlanta from the Southeast Legal Foundation, which is a far right wing group that constantly harrasses moderate and liberal outlets.
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Posted: 09/20/04 - 06:52 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | I think you are going to get your admission from CBS that the documents may not be authentic later this morning. I still suspect a Republican plant, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the plant is from right here in Atlanta from the Southeast Legal Foundation, which is a far right wing group that constantly harrasses moderate and liberal outlets. |
How do you figure its a Republican plant, is it just a hunch or do you have any evidence. Just curious
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Posted: 09/20/04 - 07:38 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: |
GWB is another matter. Since when did deposing a tyrant become a reason to commit U.S. Military personnel? And if you are going to take that position, why are we not in Sudan, Somalia, China, North Korea and a whole host of other countries. If invading other countries was a consistent U.S. position whether or not they had oil I would be more inclined to agree with you.
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We were in Somalia in the 90's. That one didn't go so well for us.
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Posted: 09/20/04 - 09:07 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | I think you are going to get your admission from CBS that the documents may not be authentic later this morning. I still suspect a Republican plant, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the plant is from right here in Atlanta from the Southeast Legal Foundation, which is a far right wing group that constantly harrasses moderate and liberal outlets. |
The GOP forged the documents, planted them with the left, and somehow got them in CBS News' hands. Then despite the fact that multiple expert witness doubted the credability of the documents (and their actual content), the GOP got Dan Rather to go on the air with them?
Wow. I'm speechless.
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Posted: 09/20/04 - 09:36 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | ... When I do research the news I go to FoxNews, and CNN, that way I get both sides... |
I think it's great that you're trying to get both sides. It's hard for me to see how these channels aren't on the same side. If you want the "other" side, don't look to American media. Try bbc.com.
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Posted: 09/20/04 - 13:44 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | GaRebelRunner wrote: | | I think you are going to get your admission from CBS that the documents may not be authentic later this morning. I still suspect a Republican plant, and I wouldn't be too surprised if the plant is from right here in Atlanta from the Southeast Legal Foundation, which is a far right wing group that constantly harrasses moderate and liberal outlets. |
The GOP forged the documents, planted them with the left, and somehow got them in CBS News' hands. Then despite the fact that multiple expert witness doubted the credability of the documents (and their actual content), the GOP got Dan Rather to go on the air with them?
Wow. I'm speechless. |
That sounds about right to me. Glad to see you finally seeing things my way. 
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