New Hampshire Primary Predictions here!
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coachmarkos
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 Posted: 01/27/04 - 10:57 Post subject: New Hampshire Primary Predictions here!
Last time I looked (yesterday @ noon)
Kerry was leading...Dean was a close second
Clark and Edwards were slugging it out for 3rd.
Lieberman was in 5th.
Remember that NH loves underdogs, and have somtimes selected people different from the eventual nominee. (See Pat Buchanon)
My prediction:
1. Kerry
2. Dean
3. Clark
4. Edwards
5. Lieberman
What do you think?
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:15 Post subject:
As sad and frustrating as it is, and I'm prolly opening up a whole canna worms here but I think that the attitudes of the American people as a whole would no sooner allow a Jewish person into the White House than a woman or a black person.
I pick Lieberman as last as well.
Kerry first. Then Dean. Sadly, that's all that really matters.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:21 Post subject:
That Gore endorsement is as good as gold, no? Dean by a hangin' chad 
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Pug
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 11:42 Post subject:
Kerry
Clark
Edwards
Dean probably will make top 3, but i see him fading. Or maybe i just haven't been impressed with him.
MW, you're probably right. The fiancee and i were talking about this a week or so ago, and she said that she isn't even sure she really wants a black man to be elected because she'd just be worried about him being assassinated by some whack job the entire time.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 12:48 Post subject:
Kerry first, then Dean. It'll be closer than you might think, I'll wager.
Edwards and Clark will be within a percentage point or 2 of each other in a run for 3rd. Lieberman will throw in the towel after finishing 5th.
As far as postgame festivities, I predict that Mr. Dean will not make a speech like the one he made in Iowa last week.
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coachmarkos
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 12:50 Post subject:
| Maddie's Wench wrote: | As sad and frustrating as it is, and I'm prolly opening up a whole canna worms here but I think that the attitudes of the American people as a whole would no sooner allow a Jewish person into the White House than a woman or a black person.
I pick Lieberman as last as well.
Kerry first. Then Dean. Sadly, that's all that really matters. |
You know, I watched some of the NH debate on Nightline last week, and Lieberman was to me, by far the most impressive of the group, too.
I agree it is sad, that he doesn't even seem to stand a chance.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 12:50 Post subject:
I know this'll never happen, but i want Kucinich to win the state.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 13:45 Post subject:
| coachmarkos wrote: | | Maddie's Wench wrote: | As sad and frustrating as it is, and I'm prolly opening up a whole canna worms here but I think that the attitudes of the American people as a whole would no sooner allow a Jewish person into the White House than a woman or a black person.
I pick Lieberman as last as well.
Kerry first. Then Dean. Sadly, that's all that really matters. |
You know, I watched some of the NH debate on Nightline last week, and Lieberman was to me, by far the most impressive of the group, too.
I agree it is sad, that he doesn't even seem to stand a chance. |
It IS sad, but the reality is, he's too centrist for the extremists, i.e. not liberal enough. He really oughta just jump ship and come over to the "other" side. It's a shame, he's got some great ideas and I think he'd be an excellent candidate for those of us in the middle who agree with pieces of both sides but not all of either. Especially on social issues.
Speaking purely selfishly, I hope Dean wins because there's no way he's beatin' Dubya. But I don't see that happening, he shot himself in the foot in Iowa and I think he's pretty much toast at this point. Kerry, of all of them, will prove the greatest challenge to Dubya, IMHO, even though I would NOT want to see him in the White House.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 13:54 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | | coachmarkos wrote: | | Maddie's Wench wrote: | As sad and frustrating as it is, and I'm prolly opening up a whole canna worms here but I think that the attitudes of the American people as a whole would no sooner allow a Jewish person into the White House than a woman or a black person.
I pick Lieberman as last as well.
Kerry first. Then Dean. Sadly, that's all that really matters. |
You know, I watched some of the NH debate on Nightline last week, and Lieberman was to me, by far the most impressive of the group, too.
I agree it is sad, that he doesn't even seem to stand a chance. |
It IS sad, but the reality is, he's too centrist for the extremists, i.e. not liberal enough. He really oughta just jump ship and come over to the "other" side. It's a shame, he's got some great ideas and I think he'd be an excellent candidate for those of us in the middle who agree with pieces of both sides but not all of either. Especially on social issues.
Speaking purely selfishly, I hope Dean wins because there's no way he's beatin' Dubya. But I don't see that happening, he shot himself in the foot in Iowa and I think he's pretty much toast at this point. Kerry, of all of them, will prove the greatest challenge to Dubya, IMHO, even though I would NOT want to see him in the White House. |
Bingo!
Maybe us "centrists" need to form our own party!
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 13:57 Post subject:
| coachmarkos wrote: | | Maybe us "centrists" need to form our own party! |
We already have one... The Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 14:02 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | coachmarkos wrote: | | Maybe us "centrists" need to form our own party! |
We already have one... The Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/ |
Which actually doesn't have a bad platform, but I notice they don't make public (at least on this website) their views on the pro-life/pro choice issue or the marriage issue, anyone know what those are?
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 14:13 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | coachmarkos wrote: | | Maybe us "centrists" need to form our own party! |
We already have one... The Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/ |
Which actually doesn't have a bad platform, but I notice they don't make public (at least on this website) their views on the pro-life/pro choice issue or the marriage issue, anyone know what those are? |
well, aren't the libertarians, pretty much for as little government involvement as possible. That's what I seem to remember (not looking at their website)
If that's the case, i think they wouldn't interfere in people's lives, whether it be marraige, or abortion. 
(I'll go look at their website now)
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 14:15 Post subject:
I think it will be:
Kerry
Dean
Edwards
I think that Dean was great for getting the party energized, and saying everything that certain segments wanted said. The other canidates could let him be the mouth and not alienate people, while denying or not commenting. His canidacy did get people interested. I don't think he's electable.
Kerry doesn't excite me, but I have taken an interest in Edwards. The story about his son, and the fact he's a marathoner tugs at the old heartstrings. I also like the fact that he's not running a negative campaign. That alone will doom him.
I'm with Pug on wanting to see Kuchinich do better, but he's such a long shot.
I'm starting to believe that Bush is beatable, although, from what I've seen, he may still have my vote. I'm just not bowled over by the alternatives, but that could change as time goes on.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 14:23 Post subject:
So, I went to the libertarian website, and took the little "platform quiz" as to which ideas identify with which party, and scored this:
You preferred the Democratic stance for 1 issue.
You preferred the Green stance for 0 issues.
You preferred the Libertarian stance for 2 issues.
You preferred the Republican stance for 4 issues.
I figured it would be slanted towards the Libertarians, but that sounds like me.
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Posted: 01/27/04 - 14:34 Post subject:
| coachmarkos wrote: | | genie wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | coachmarkos wrote: | | Maybe us "centrists" need to form our own party! |
We already have one... The Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/ |
Which actually doesn't have a bad platform, but I notice they don't make public (at least on this website) their views on the pro-life/pro choice issue or the marriage issue, anyone know what those are? |
well, aren't the libertarians, pretty much for as little government involvement as possible. That's what I seem to remember (not looking at their website)
If that's the case, i think they wouldn't interfere in people's lives, whether it be marraige, or abortion.
(I'll go look at their website now) |
It appears you may be right (err I mean correct  ) although I still can't find anything that specifically addresses those two issues, but here is what I did find about sex laws, which fits in with what you said:
Why do libertarians want to repeal regulations on sex by consenting adults?
Nothing is more personal than the way people chose to shape their sexual relationships. Government has no business intruding into people's bedrooms.
This doesn't mean we must personally approve of the sexual behaviors of others. It simply means that as long as the participants are consenting adults, no one has the right to use the force of government laws to try to stop or punish them.
There is no justification for throwing peaceful Americans in jail because of their sexual choices. Let's respect people's right to control their own bodies.
Does this apply to prostitution also?
Every day millions of adult Americans agree to make love. There is no justification for throwing them in jail. These are peaceful voluntary agreements between consenting adults. A tiny fraction of these involve money.
Criminal penalties do not stop prostitution. They just create real problems. One study showed it costs taxpayers two thousand dollars every time a prostitute is arrested. Let's respect people's right to control their own bodies.
Decriminalize sex, and let it be a private affair.
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