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spongebob
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 Posted: 08/13/04 - 20:36 Post subject: Moved thread: Training discrepancies (elkid vs ph)
I thought this was a good point, but off topic. I strongly encourage PH and elkid to debate further here.
| purple hayes wrote: | | elkid wrote: | | This is insulting. This thread was started as a result of my posting that I came in 2nd Athena in my triathlon last week. |
It's not always about you. Really.
| elkid wrote: | | I also do not run 20mpw. Try 55-65mpw, on top of biking, swimming, and lifting. |
| you, at http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/004898.shtml wrote: | Running: 184.3 miles. Kicked ASS! Highest mileage ever. Includes 4 races with a PR for the 10K. Obviously now my focus for training.
Lifting: 30 min. Just started back with it, so OK.
Swimming: 3.7 miles (4 sessions). Needs work.
Biking: 49.7 miles (2 rides). Needs work. |
184 miles / 4.5 weeks in July = 41 MPW avg.
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Those numbers don't add up. What gives?
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Cappy
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Posted: 08/13/04 - 21:30 Post subject:
and while we are at it.
| In the July monthly thread in training tales elkid wrote: | Swimming ... not enough, tri next week might hurt.
Biking ... not enough, but sufficient.
Running ... AWESOME. Highest monthly mileage ever despite a few mini tapers. |
You posted your monthly numbers at MS at CR but not here. 
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TimRuns
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Posted: 08/13/04 - 22:00 Post subject: Re: Moved thread: Training discrepancies (elkid vs ph)
| Runner X wrote: | I thought this was a good point, but off topic. I strongly encourage PH and elkid to debate further here.
| purple hayes wrote: | | elkid wrote: | | This is insulting. This thread was started as a result of my posting that I came in 2nd Athena in my triathlon last week. |
It's not always about you. Really.
| elkid wrote: | | I also do not run 20mpw. Try 55-65mpw, on top of biking, swimming, and lifting. |
| you, at http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/004898.shtml wrote: | Running: 184.3 miles. Kicked ASS! Highest mileage ever. Includes 4 races with a PR for the 10K. Obviously now my focus for training.
Lifting: 30 min. Just started back with it, so OK.
Swimming: 3.7 miles (4 sessions). Needs work.
Biking: 49.7 miles (2 rides). Needs work. |
184 miles / 4.5 weeks in July = 41 MPW avg.
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Those numbers don't add up. What gives? |
Something screwy's going on here....
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runaroundsue
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Posted: 08/13/04 - 22:30 Post subject:
you can't get away with "fuzzy" math with the boatload of accountants on this forum 
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Noley
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Posted: 08/14/04 - 02:02 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | and while we are at it.
| In the July monthly thread in training tales elkid wrote: | Swimming ... not enough, tri next week might hurt.
Biking ... not enough, but sufficient.
Running ... AWESOME. Highest monthly mileage ever despite a few mini tapers. |
You posted your monthly numbers at MS at CR but not here. |
This is an intentional jab Cappy. 
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Cappy
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Posted: 08/14/04 - 06:50 Post subject:
| nolefan85 wrote: | | Cappy wrote: | and while we are at it.
| In the July monthly thread in training tales elkid wrote: | Swimming ... not enough, tri next week might hurt.
Biking ... not enough, but sufficient.
Running ... AWESOME. Highest monthly mileage ever despite a few mini tapers. |
You posted your monthly numbers at MS at CR but not here. |
This is an intentional jab Cappy. |
No, its not a jab, just a question
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spongebob
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Posted: 08/14/04 - 14:16 Post subject:
Cappy and nolefan, don't make this something personal, por favor. 
This is a thread in which one of the most outspoken posters has been called out on being untruthful about their training. I feel it is important because anyone that considers following elkid's advice should be aware that she possibly does not do the work that she claims.
Referencing a person's posts is not a personal attack. Especially when they contain conflicting information.
No matter how much you like or dislike someone, if they lie about their training and racing then it should be brought to light in a place such as this where people tend to look for guidance from the more experienced runners.
I think we should all sit back and allow elkid and PH to continue their discussion.
I would really like to see this thread stay on topic. Thanks.
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marathonrnr262
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Posted: 08/15/04 - 21:07 Post subject:
I don't like this thread or the direction it goes. I don't know anybody that hasn't elaborated on their training times and distances. I really don't think its fair to call some out on a public forum because the embellished the results.
Sheldon
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Posted: 08/15/04 - 22:16 Post subject:
[benefit of the doubt]Can't you have a 50 mile week in a 180 mile month?[/benefit]
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Posted: 08/15/04 - 22:19 Post subject:
| marathonrnr262 wrote: | I don't like this thread or the direction it goes. I don't know anybody that hasn't elaborated on their training times and distances. I really don't think its fair to call some out on a public forum because the embellished the results.
Sheldon |
I bet you're a great golfer.
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spongebob
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 00:03 Post subject:
| marathonrnr262 wrote: | I don't like this thread or the direction it goes. I don't know anybody that hasn't elaborated on their training times and distances. I really don't think its fair to call some out on a public forum because the embellished the results.
Sheldon |
That is a very good point. You should start another thread discussing the points you made. That would likely turn out to be very interesting and thought provoking. What are the benefits of stretching the truth about your training/racing? Why do people do it? Do you let people get away with it when you catch them? How often do you embellish your results? What are the effects when you catch a coach or advisor not being honest? The role of the Internet and real life in regards to fibbing about your training, etc. That would be a great thread.
I moved this particular topic out of another thread because it was getting off the original subject.
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marathonrnr262
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 07:37 Post subject:
Please, be my guest and destroy someone for elaborating.
As for me, I really don't give a damn what people think about how much I train. My race results speak for themselves.
Sheldon
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 08:04 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | marathonrnr262 wrote: | I don't like this thread or the direction it goes. I don't know anybody that hasn't elaborated on their training times and distances. I really don't think its fair to call some out on a public forum because the embellished the results.
Sheldon |
I bet you're a great golfer. |
LOL!
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robp
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 08:11 Post subject:
| marathonrnr262 wrote: | Please, be my guest and destroy someone for elaborating.
As for me, I really don't give a damn what people think about how much I train. My race results speak for themselves.
Sheldon |
I don't think anyone is out to destroy anyone. Asking for a little truth in post content isn't asking too much. And I guarantee nobody is questioning your training regiment or race results.
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jrjo
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Posted: 08/16/04 - 09:34 Post subject:
As moderator, I feel like I have to chime in.
This is the world wide web and the modern day equivalent of speaking in the town square. Don't expect utopia folks. If you post something, be prepared to defend it. Being "called out" is going to happen. Posting something here is about as public a pronouncement as you can make.
Also worth mentioning is this is an internet bulletin board. The only action anyone can take is "reply". Whether it's supportive or critical is the member's choice. A bulletin board like this is first and foremost a place to receive "feedback", thus the reply button. Runningforums.com is not blogspot.com nor is it your email inbox, it's a forum that generates feedback.
We runners are an eclectic bunch. We live life often to the tenth of a mile, the fraction of a second and the almighty grand total. I see nothing wrong with Runner X questioning numbers that don't add.
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