Mousoui - doesn't get the needle
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gretriever
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 Posted: 05/04/06 - 13:20 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | airehead wrote: | According to her faith, he did nothing wrong.
To some it's terrorism, to others it's freedom fighting. It's perspective.
Are they crazy? |
If faith leads to freedom fighting leads to terrorism, then she has no faith. She has a crutch to hate. |
Then I ask you: (not that I support this man, but for the sake of argument)
What about the people who attacked Hitler's regime? Hitler, in charge, saw those acts as terroristic.
We saw them as freedom fighting.
It's perspective. |
The fighters against Hitler were not doing it from a religious perspective. Or if they were, certainly not to the openness the contemporary terrorists cite their faith. And I don't limit that to Islam - lot of it in a lot of places - Sudan, Sri Lanka - you name, it many of the world's wars have had a twisted take of religion as justification. 
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airehead
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 13:27 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | airehead wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | airehead wrote: | According to her faith, he did nothing wrong.
To some it's terrorism, to others it's freedom fighting. It's perspective.
Are they crazy? |
If faith leads to freedom fighting leads to terrorism, then she has no faith. She has a crutch to hate. |
Then I ask you: (not that I support this man, but for the sake of argument)
What about the people who attacked Hitler's regime? Hitler, in charge, saw those acts as terroristic.
We saw them as freedom fighting.
It's perspective. |
The fighters against Hitler were not doing it from a religious perspective. Or if they were, certainly not to the openness the contemporary terrorists cite their faith. And I don't limit that to Islam - lot of it in a lot of places - Sudan, Sri Lanka - you name, it many of the world's wars have had a twisted take of religion as justification. |
The Holy Wars, the inquisition (which no one expected) etc.
Just curious. If he's just crazy or crazy like a fox. It's easy for me to dismiss his ideas as crazy because I find them repellent and his religious ideals as curious. But, just as easily, someone could say my ideas are crazy and my religious views are curious.
I am just trying to decide if he's merely a zealot and sold out for his cause or if he is really and truly crazy.
And who defines crazy?
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 13:33 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | airehead wrote: | According to her faith, he did nothing wrong.
To some it's terrorism, to others it's freedom fighting. It's perspective.
Are they crazy? |
If faith leads to freedom fighting leads to terrorism, then she has no faith. She has a crutch to hate. |
Then I ask you: (not that I support this man, but for the sake of argument)
What about the people who attacked Hitler's regime? Hitler, in charge, saw those acts as terroristic.
We saw them as freedom fighting.
It's perspective. |
That's why it's important to pick good leaders like Presidents Bush and Regan to follow.
There is right and there is wrong - perspective doesn't matter so much
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airehead
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 13:37 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | airehead wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | airehead wrote: | According to her faith, he did nothing wrong.
To some it's terrorism, to others it's freedom fighting. It's perspective.
Are they crazy? |
If faith leads to freedom fighting leads to terrorism, then she has no faith. She has a crutch to hate. |
Then I ask you: (not that I support this man, but for the sake of argument)
What about the people who attacked Hitler's regime? Hitler, in charge, saw those acts as terroristic.
We saw them as freedom fighting.
It's perspective. |
That's why it's important to pick good leaders like Presidents Bush and Regan to follow.
There is right and there is wrong - perspective doesn't matter so much |
Perspective always matters. I have a family member who is of my faith, but ultra ultra extreme. My father, who is not a Christian sees his behavior and bases his opinions on the extreme. Much like many of us do when confronted with situations like these.
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gretriever
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 13:38 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | The Holy Wars, the inquisition (which no one expected) etc.
Just curious. If he's just crazy or crazy like a fox. It's easy for me to dismiss his ideas as crazy because I find them repellent and his religious ideals as curious. But, just as easily, someone could say my ideas are crazy and my religious views are curious.
I am just trying to decide if he's merely a zealot and sold out for his cause or if he is really and truly crazy.
And who defines crazy? |
Yup, Christianity has been used as much as any other religion. And apologists exist in every religion because some people in every religion use faith as justification for doing stupid things.
If Moussaoui were crazy, they'd've never bothered with the trial, he'd have gone straight to a mental facility inside a prison. I don't know if a not guilty by reason if insanity would have been an option here. And of course it can be said no way he was going to get a fair trial, sane or not.
Society defines crazy and sane and right and wrong. If not, then it's anarchy and time to punch the clock on humanity.
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airehead
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 13:46 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | airehead wrote: | The Holy Wars, the inquisition (which no one expected) etc.
Just curious. If he's just crazy or crazy like a fox. It's easy for me to dismiss his ideas as crazy because I find them repellent and his religious ideals as curious. But, just as easily, someone could say my ideas are crazy and my religious views are curious.
I am just trying to decide if he's merely a zealot and sold out for his cause or if he is really and truly crazy.
And who defines crazy? |
Yup, Christianity has been used as much as any other religion. And apologists exist in every religion because some people in every religion use faith as justification for doing stupid things.
If Moussaoui were crazy, they'd've never bothered with the trial, he'd have gone straight to a mental facility inside a prison. I don't know if a not guilty by reason if insanity would have been an option here. And of course it can be said no way he was going to get a fair trial, sane or not.
Society defines crazy and sane and right and wrong. If not, then it's anarchy and time to punch the clock on humanity. |
You're right. Time will tell on lots of these things, I think.
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genie
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 21:22 Post subject:
I just hope to hell he stays in CO. Can you imagine the damage he could do if they send him to France?
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 05/05/06 - 10:34 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | He ought to die strapped to a table in a puddle of his own piss.
Hope he gets turned loose into general population - wonder if he'll squeal like a pig |
You really like that phrase, don't you?
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