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airehead
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 Posted: 05/03/06 - 21:42 Post subject:
| thegman wrote: | | airehead wrote: | | shelflifers wrote: | | airehead wrote: | So, will he be able to attain a leadership position within the prison population in order to gather more followers?
Martyrdom denied=good.
Alive and being able to plot and plan=not good.
We lose either way. |
It didn't even matter what happened in the trial..we already lost.  |
Yeah, you're right. But we keep losing. He is going to be very powerful in prison, I predict. |
He won't have the chance. He's probably headed for Florence, CO.
Check out the specs on his new digs here! |
| Quote: | | As a result, most individuals are kept for at least 23 hours each day in solitary confinement. They are housed in a 7-by-12 foot (3.5-by-2 meter) soundproofed room, built behind a steel door and grate. The remaining free hour is spent exercising alone in a separate concrete chamber. Prisoners rarely see each other, and inmates' only human interaction is limited to that of the prison guards. |
And he's in good company:
| Quote: | * Matthew F. Hale (White Supremacist convicted of soliciting murder of a federal judge)
* Theodore Kaczynski ("Unabomber" terrorist)
* Terry Nichols (Oklahoma City Bombing conspirator)
* Omar Abdel-Rahman (Islamist terrorist, nicknamed "The Blind Sheik", involved in World Trade Center bombing planning in 1993.
* Larry Hoover (Leader of the Black Gangster Disciples Nation, based in Chicago)
* Richard Reid ("Shoe bomber" terrorist)
* Ramzi Yousef (Islamist terrorist, 1993 World Trade Center bombing)
* Ahmed Ajaj (Islamist terrorist, 1993 World Trade Center bombing)
* Eric Robert Rudolph (Terrorist bomber)
* Mutulu Shakur (Tupac Shakur's Step-father)
* Brian Askew (Co-Leader of the RCC)
* Robert Hanssen (FBI agent convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and Russia.)
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msparks
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:02 Post subject:
| thegman wrote: |
He won't have the chance. He's probably headed for Florence, CO. |
That's the word out right now.
| Quote: | | Check out the specs on his new digs here! |
So much for his ability to influence the rest of the population....
It's like being in solitary...but not being in solitary. And from what I heard this a.m., when they close the cell door on him in Colorado, that'll pretty much be the last we hear about/from him. I believe it. Of all the prisoners listed in the above post, how many of them have we heard from since they've gone in?
No martyrdom, indeed! He'll just cease to exist. Now? He can only dream about those seventy-two virgins.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:17 Post subject:
JU, you asked about cost. When someone is on Death Row and they get an unbelievable appeal system which always costs the public b/c they don't ever seem to come prepared to pay their own attorneys, it's costlier to keep them on death row than in regular prison population.
Each year, each prisoner costs about $30,000. They get that plus all the costs of appeal (not to mention the cost of that killer last dinner!). In short, it's cheaper to keep them locked up without being on death row.
On Moussaoui, you know, if he'd said, "I oink like a monkey and the sky is pink", everyone would think he's just raving like lunatics do. But b/c he said, "American, you lost and I won" all of a sudden it's a slam. Here's the thing. He's still nuts. It doesn't matter that he's nuts, he committed a crime and needs to pay for it, which he will. But he's nuts. So don't take that as any kind of dig, America.
It's the same thing as the homeless guy on the corner telling me to f off. I don't think twice about it.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:18 Post subject:
JU, you asked about cost. When someone is on Death Row and they get an unbelievable appeal system which always costs the public b/c they don't ever seem to come prepared to pay their own attorneys, it's costlier to keep them on death row than in regular prison population.
Each year, each prisoner costs about $30,000. They get that plus all the costs of appeal (not to mention the cost of that killer last dinner!). In short, it's cheaper to keep them locked up without being on death row.
On Moussaoui, you know, if he'd said, "I oink like a monkey and the sky is pink", everyone would think he's just raving like lunatics do. But b/c he said, "American, you lost and I won" all of a sudden it's a slam. Here's the thing. He's still nuts. It doesn't matter that he's nuts, he committed a crime and needs to pay for it, which he will. But he's nuts. So don't take that as any kind of dig, America.
It's the same thing as the homeless guy on the corner telling me to f off. I don't think twice about it.
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robp
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:20 Post subject:
This is one time where I believe the death penalty would've been too good for this guy. In his twisted world, dying for "the cause" is considered a great thing and his rewards in paradise are worth it. Now he is denied those rewards, denied the public stage he craves and he gets to sit and rot in his own stench for the rest of his born days. Even his fellow militants are going to forget about him.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:36 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | This is one time where I believe the death penalty would've been too good for this guy. In his twisted world, dying for "the cause" is considered a great thing and his rewards in paradise are worth it. Now he is denied those rewards, denied the public stage he craves and he gets to sit and rot in his own stench for the rest of his born days. Even his fellow militants are going to forget about him. |
Exactly. When was the last time you thought about/heard about Ted Kaczynski?
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kristin31
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:44 Post subject:
| thegman wrote: | Martyrdom denied.
Life in prison is worse than a death sentence for him. |
Most definitely. It's a worse punishment for anyone, but especially for this crime.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:44 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
Exactly. When was the last time you thought about/heard about Ted Kaczynski? |
What was the last time anyone thought of Timothy Mc Veigh?
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robp
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 09:44 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | robp wrote: | | This is one time where I believe the death penalty would've been too good for this guy. In his twisted world, dying for "the cause" is considered a great thing and his rewards in paradise are worth it. Now he is denied those rewards, denied the public stage he craves and he gets to sit and rot in his own stench for the rest of his born days. Even his fellow militants are going to forget about him. |
Exactly. When was the last time you thought about/heard about Ted Kaczynski? |
I actually heard his name mentioned in the past month or so but I don't remember why. 
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 10:00 Post subject:
You were paring down your Schlitzmas card list, I think it was.
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msparks
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 10:00 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | robp wrote: | | This is one time where I believe the death penalty would've been too good for this guy. In his twisted world, dying for "the cause" is considered a great thing and his rewards in paradise are worth it. Now he is denied those rewards, denied the public stage he craves and he gets to sit and rot in his own stench for the rest of his born days. Even his fellow militants are going to forget about him. |
Exactly. When was the last time you thought about/heard about Ted Kaczynski? |
Hello?  I'm sitting right here! I shoulda known that nobody reads my posts. 
| msparks wrote: | | Of all the prisoners listed in the above post, how many of them have we heard from since they've gone in? |
I feel so...so...neglected, overlooked...marginalized.
Looks like I'll have to resort to using emoticons instead of words.
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gretriever
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 10:00 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: |
Exactly. When was the last time you thought about/heard about Ted Kaczynski? |
What was the last time anyone thought of Timothy Mc Veigh? |
Interesting point, WTR. Wonder if the idea that, "This guy's a foreigner, and we don't want to get them mad at us by executing him - we should just apply the death penalty to our own" entered into the jury's thoughts? I hope not, but nothing would surprise me.
He becomes a rallying point, insane or not, by being in prison. It's not a stretch to consider this a (forced) exile, just as the Ayatollah Khomeini was in exile for years before his return to Iran, or Mandela in South Africa. The families of the several thousand who died on September 11 can now take comfort that their tax dollars will go in part to keep this guy fed and sheltered.
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robp
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 10:02 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | You were paring down your Schlitzmas card list, I think it was. |
Case of Schlitz to Go now reduced to a 40 ouncer.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 10:37 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | | You were paring down your Schlitzmas card list, I think it was. |
Case of Schlitz to Go now reduced to a 40 ouncer. |
Well if that's how you're gonna be why don't you save us both the trouble and mail me a 40 of Olde English 800?
Buzzkill.
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robp
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Posted: 05/04/06 - 10:38 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | robp wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | | You were paring down your Schlitzmas card list, I think it was. |
Case of Schlitz to Go now reduced to a 40 ouncer. |
Well if that's how you're gonna be why don't you save us both the trouble and mail me a 40 of Olde English 800?
Buzzkill. |
I'm keepin' the Olde English for meself....
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