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megawill
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 Posted: 11/03/04 - 09:49 Post subject: Moral Values
on the coasts where kerry did well, exit polls show Iraq was the number 1 issue.
in the heartland, south, mountain west the number 1 issue (if you want to call it an issue) was Moral Values...these people voted overwhelmingly for Bush...
What exactly are 'Moral Values' and why do certain pockets of America view the democrats as not 'having' moral values or essentially being godless, please explain...
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 09:53 Post subject:
Just my opinon only:
Church going, pro-family, pro-life, upstanding character
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 09:57 Post subject:
Moral values should not be part of a political campaign due to your very question - what are they? And to whom? Ambiguity and sanctimony are part and parcel. Who's to say that a Methodist's moral values are more or less than important than those of a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Catholic, or a fundy? All of these people have distinctly different moral value codes.
Cappy's definition excluding upstanding character (I think that's a human character, not a moral value), I fear, is correct. A nation of that kind of homogenous person scares the hell out of me.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:03 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | Just my opinon only:
Church going, pro-family, pro-life, upstanding character |
what I don't understand about Republican leaders who embrace the Christian Right is this: many of the things these leaders have done, or continue to do on a daily basis, is offensive to Fundamentalist Christians. So to me, it's obvious that the politicians are "playing" to this segment of the population. Why isn't it obvious to the Christian Right?
I'm not speaking without some experience here. I grew up in Fundamentalist churches. I know what the rules are; I had to try to live them for entirely too long. No one can do it, even those who claim to. There's always someone else who is "Holier than Thou."
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runaroundsue
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:03 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | Moral values should not be part of a political campaign due to your very question - what are they? And to whom? Ambiguity and sanctimony are part and parcel. Who's to say that a Methodist's moral values are more or less than important than those of a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Catholic, or a fundy? All of these people have distinctly different moral value codes.
Cappy's definition excluding upstanding character (I think that's a human character, not a moral value), I fear, is correct. A nation of that kind of homogenous person scares the hell out of me. |
I agree elkid. But Bush did connect well with these type of people. Kerry tried to be too hetergenous and really connected only with Bush-bashers.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:03 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | Just my opinon only:
Church going, pro-family, pro-life, upstanding character |
Look at how Bush did in the two Bible Belts.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:04 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | Moral values should not be part of a political campaign due to your very question - what are they? And to whom? Ambiguity and sanctimony are part and parcel. Who's to say that a Methodist's moral values are more or less than important than those of a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Catholic, or a fundy? All of these people have distinctly different moral value codes.
Cappy's definition excluding upstanding character (I think that's a human character, not a moral value), I fear, is correct. A nation of that kind of homogenous person scares the hell out of me. |
A nation of church going, pro-family and pro-life people scares the hell out of you? You would prefer a nation of heathens (like me) who don't care about family and and/or the unborn?
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runaroundsue
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:15 Post subject:
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A nation of church going, pro-family and pro-life people scares the hell out of you? You would prefer a nation of heathens (like me) who don't care about family and and/or the unborn? |
not that you can't be moral and not religious? I believe many people have trouble separating the two concepts and that was most fornuate for Mr. Bush.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:16 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: |
I agree elkid. But Bush did connect well with these type of people. Kerry tried to be too hetergenous and really connected only with Bush-bashers. |
I agree that Kerry did not do it well. But the alternative may be to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I don't want my candidate to do that either.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:25 Post subject:
I hear what you're saying Sonny, but if you're a progressive, there's no way that Kerry looks anything but moderate.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:26 Post subject:
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not that you can't be moral and not religious? I believe many people have trouble separating the two concepts and that was most fornuate for Mr. Bush. |
Oh no, you can be moral and not religious. I hope I'm living proof of that.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:31 Post subject:
| Sahara wrote: | | I agree that Kerry did not do it well. But the alternative may be to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I don't want my candidate to do that either. |
I just call them extremists. Kerry knew he couldn't change their minds, yet arrogantly didn't try to connect with an entire group that he could have. I just don't think that Kerry put enough into the average, middle-aged woman. He could have easily done this by picking a different running mate.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:37 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: |
I just call them extremists. Kerry knew he couldn't change their minds, yet arrogantly didn't try to connect with an entire group that he could have. I just don't think that Kerry put enough into the average, middle-aged woman. He could have easily done this by picking a different running mate. |
Do you have someone in mind? Were you thinking of a woman?
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:40 Post subject: Re: Moral Values
| megawill wrote: | | why do certain pockets of America view the democrats as not 'having' moral values or essentially being godless, please explain... |
I really feel that the legacy of the Clinton presidency (and if you watch Letterman/Leno/et al, it's confirmed daily) is the moral looseness of the Democratic party. Regardless of what Congresspeople, Governors or other officials from either side of the aisle might do, as the highest elected official in the land, Clinton has established a point on the moral spectrum that the Democratic party cannot disjoint itself from as long as he is around and as long as voters remember his term. And that compared to President Bush who has demonstrated a life similar to many of overcoming difficulties of youth, being reborn, dried out and now committed to family, church and country.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 10:41 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: |
what I don't understand about Republican leaders who embrace the Christian Right is this: many of the things these leaders have done, or continue to do on a daily basis, is offensive to Fundamentalist Christians. So to me, it's obvious that the politicians are "playing" to this segment of the population. Why isn't it obvious to the Christian Right? |
I agree, we were just talking about this last night.
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