Moral Issues, Cover ups, Foley, Elections
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runaroundsue
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 Posted: 10/10/06 - 19:45 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | robp wrote: |
What's this "they" stuff? One dipsh!t doesn't an entire party make. And even though I feel that said dipsh!t is a vile person it's quite possible he didn't break a single law. |
I won't speak for Andy, but I believe the "they" in his post is referring to Republican leaders (not all Reps) who have courted and wooed the Religious Right/Religious Conservatives. An interesting example would be this: every President has attended church services while in residence at the White House. Every President except George W. Bush, the darling of conservative religious groups like American Family Association, the Christian Coalition, Concerned Women for America, Focus on the Family, etc. Bush does not attend church. Some of those leaders have regular meetings with the president in which they often put pressure on Bush to push through certain legislation in exchange for endorsements form these groups. |
so you think Bush should attend services to be more like his supporters? Should democrats eat in soup kitchens because many of their votes come from the poor inner-city? I must be tired, because I'm not seeing the connection in your statement. Because he has the vote of a certain group doesn't necessarily make him that group.
Democrats in general, need to let go, or they'll lose again. Bush is out.....worry about the next guy up to bat rather than bickering whether Bush hit fair or foul. Better yet, concentrate on your own batting order...if you ever get your ups. As a person sitting on the bleacher, not looking good.
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andydp
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Posted: 10/10/06 - 21:09 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: | So you think Bush should attend services to be more like his supporters? Should democrats eat in soup kitchens because many of their votes come from the poor inner-city? I must be tired, because I'm not seeing the connection in your statement. Because he has the vote of a certain group doesn't necessarily make him that group.
Democrats in general, need to let go, or they'll lose again. Bush is out.....worry about the next guy up to bat rather than bickering whether Bush hit fair or foul. Better yet, concentrate on your own batting order...if you ever get your ups. As a person sitting on the bleacher, not looking good. |
No, the point is the self elevating to the "Moral Values" high ground. Acting like they are the only ones that will defend of all that is pure and wholesome. Yet showing up their very human side when it comes to temptations. And I repeat: the elevating to this high pedestal will result in a hard fall.
RAS: you made my point: "Because he has the vote of a certain group doesn't necessarily make him that group". Unfortunately, people have made that leap and assumed he and everyone on that side is just like them. (They must be like me, they voted against gay marriage !!) I'll say it again: this is politics and you say or do whatever it takes to get elected. This goes for either side for any issue in any century.
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 10/10/06 - 22:14 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: |
I'll say it again: this is politics and you say or do whatever it takes to get elected. This goes for either side for any issue in any century. |
EXACTLY! This is politics. Period. To be honest, I'm not too concerned about my politician's personal life, in general. I'm just concerned about whether he votes the way I need him to vote on the issues that are important to me.
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megawill
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Posted: 10/10/06 - 23:16 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: | | andydp wrote: |
I'll say it again: this is politics and you say or do whatever it takes to get elected. This goes for either side for any issue in any century. |
EXACTLY! This is politics. Period. To be honest, I'm not too concerned about my politician's personal life, in general. I'm just concerned about whether he votes the way I need him to vote on the issues that are important to me. |
hmmm...i never pictured you as an 'end justifies the means' type of person...
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keltic63
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 07:14 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: |
so you think Bush should attend services to be more like his supporters? Should democrats eat in soup kitchens because many of their votes come from the poor inner-city? I must be tired, because I'm not seeing the connection in your statement. Because he has the vote of a certain group doesn't necessarily make him that group.
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Not at all. I have heard references to Bush as "God's Candidate" etc. He is the golden child for the Religious Right. I was raised in fundamentalist and charismatic churches. I know the rules. Bush does not follow them. I find it extremely odd that a group with such an extreme ideology embraces Bush, claims him as their own, when clearly his behavior shows that he is not one of them.
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runaroundsue
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 10:33 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | runaroundsue wrote: |
so you think Bush should attend services to be more like his supporters? Should democrats eat in soup kitchens because many of their votes come from the poor inner-city? I must be tired, because I'm not seeing the connection in your statement. Because he has the vote of a certain group doesn't necessarily make him that group.
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Not at all. I have heard references to Bush as "God's Candidate" etc. He is the golden child for the Religious Right. I was raised in fundamentalist and charismatic churches. I know the rules. Bush does not follow them. I find it extremely odd that a group with such an extreme ideology embraces Bush, claims him as their own, when clearly his behavior shows that he is not one of them. |
maybe he's the closest that they can get.
Dems need to work with the mold that works: 1) male 2)stable marriage
3)speaks of God 4)has some family problem that America relates to--other than a bad marriage (the drunk brother seems to work well) 5)from the South. Democrats "have" the east coast vote already, they get the south vote by putting "the south" on the ticket. Let's see Hillary "was" a 5.....
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 10:36 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | runaroundsue wrote: |
so you think Bush should attend services to be more like his supporters? Should democrats eat in soup kitchens because many of their votes come from the poor inner-city? I must be tired, because I'm not seeing the connection in your statement. Because he has the vote of a certain group doesn't necessarily make him that group.
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Not at all. I have heard references to Bush as "God's Candidate" etc. He is the golden child for the Religious Right. I was raised in fundamentalist and charismatic churches. I know the rules. Bush does not follow them. I find it extremely odd that a group with such an extreme ideology embraces Bush, claims him as their own, when clearly his behavior shows that he is not one of them. |
maybe he's the closest that they can get.
Dems need to work with the mold that works: 1) male 2)stable marriage
3)speaks of God 4)has some family problem that America relates to--other than a bad marriage (the drunk brother seems to work well) 5)from the South. Democrats "have" the east coast vote already, they get the south vote by putting "the south" on the ticket. Let's see Hillary "was" a 5..... |
but that would alienate the kook fringe base that is the democratic party
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keltic63
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 11:24 Post subject:
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but that would alienate the kook fringe base that is the democratic party |
the name-calling really adds to your credibility.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 11:32 Post subject:
We'll just have to see how effective this tactic is at supressing the conservative base - if it works now can you imagine the stuff they'll pull in '08
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Wicked Flea
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 12:31 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | [but that would alienate the kook fringe base that is the democratic party |
The Republicans went the opposite way. Alienating their true conservative, small government, frugal spending base to look attractive to the extreme religious nuts.
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | We'll just have to see how effective this tactic is at supressing the conservative base - if it works now can you imagine the stuff they'll pull in '08 |
What tactic?
Because I am assuming that you are speaking of something that you are accusing the Democrats of doing now.
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keltic63
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 13:35 Post subject:
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What tactic?
Because I am assuming that you are speaking of something that you are accusing the Democrats of doing now. |
wicked flea!!! remember we talked about this at the secret agenda meeting? we decided to recruit a pedophile to run for congress, let him appear to do a decent job for several years, then reveal that he's a predator just before an election that is decisive for the Republicans. We also joined with the velvet mafia to have the "gays" infiltrate the republican party to protect our child molester and provide a cover up until it was time to launch our cruel and evil plan. 
or maybe not.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 14:08 Post subject:
| Wicked Flea wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | [but that would alienate the kook fringe base that is the democratic party |
The Republicans went the opposite way. Alienating their true conservative, small government, frugal spending base to look attractive to the extreme religious nuts.
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | We'll just have to see how effective this tactic is at supressing the conservative base - if it works now can you imagine the stuff they'll pull in '08 |
What tactic?
Because I am assuming that you are speaking of something that you are accusing the Democrats of doing now. |
it's pretty much text book Democratic Playbook
of couse it's just a happy cooinkiy dink that it comes down right before an election
would you care to buy a bridge? perhaps some beachfront property in Arizona?
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 14:10 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: |
but that would alienate the kook fringe base that is the democratic party |
Dude, knock it off. I can personalize stuff too. Here's an example: In general, members of that 'kook fringe base' are at least 137 IQ points smarter than you.
I can feel my credibility rising.
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andydp
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 14:59 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: |
it's pretty much text book Democratic Playbook
of couse it's just a happy cooinkiy dink (coincidence) that it comes down right before an election
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You're just mad because the Republicans didn't come up with it.
Some of us can come remember Kissinger's "Peace is at hand" just before the 1972 elections. Or maybe closer to your age, the John Ashcroft "Orange" terror alerts.
But maybe like Keltic said, it was a long range plot with moles and everything.
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 10/11/06 - 15:00 Post subject:
I don't think I can reply to this thread anymore...seems to be getting a little "off topic!"
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