Moral Issues, Cover ups, Foley, Elections
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airehead
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 Posted: 10/05/06 - 16:46 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | airehead wrote: | | Quote: | SEX CHAT WAS WITH 18 YEAR OLD
On Tuesday ABC news released a high-impact instant message exchange between Foley and, as ABC explained, a young man "under the age of 18."
ABC headlined the story: "New Foley Instant Messages; Had Internet Sex While Awaiting House Vote"
But upon reviewing the records, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, the young man was in fact over the age of 18 at the time of the exchange.
A network source explains, messages with the young man and disgraced former Congressman Foley took place before and after the 18th birthday.
Developing...
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18 is legal in every state. |
Note the "took place before" part of the statement.
I'm just thinking it may have been legal, but this has the same amount and type of "sleaze" the Lewinski thing had. I think heads will roll more from whatever covering up took place than from Foley's actions themselves. Plus ihn one of the e mails/IM's he was inviting the kid to his place for drinks (which is illegal in every state). |
If this turns out to be true, the most he's guilty of is harrassment. If he did indeed invite for drinks, that is troubling.
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 06:49 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | from what I've seen the original stuff they knew about was pretty tame and it wasn't till recently the really creepy stuff came out |
Yes, I heard the same interview with the House Republican Leader on Sean Hannity that you did. And I've listened to the same Sean Hannity diatribes you post about whining Democrats who had nothing to do with this affair. As usual Republicans and conservative Christians don't want to take personal responsibility for their own sins. They prefer the Democrats do it for them. 
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 10:23 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | yeh for all the whining the Dems do about Karl Rove they sure do a much better job of pulling stuff like this off.
Course when the Republicans give them the rope ... |
You made your own point.
Consider this: The Republicans have elevated themselves onto a very lofty "moral issues" plateau. Now when a major, "moral" issue comes out, it will show the party is not so moral after all. The backlash the GOP will feel from this is the wrath of the Moral Issue folks who probably feel betrayed and deceived.
The fall from grace will be hard and swift. Not to mention the hipocritical nature of the entire situation. Rep Foley was a "leading light" in getting predator leglislation passed. I'd love to see what he may have said about gay marriage.
Carl Rove or any other politico has nothing to do with this issue. |
I don't think it shows that the party is "not so moral after all" - it shows that this guy isn't moral...and anyone that supports what he did/almost did.
I plan to continue to vote Republican.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 10:25 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | yeh for all the whining the Dems do about Karl Rove they sure do a much better job of pulling stuff like this off.
Course when the Republicans give them the rope ... |
You made your own point.
Consider this: The Republicans have elevated themselves onto a very lofty "moral issues" plateau. Now when a major, "moral" issue comes out, it will show the party is not so moral after all. The backlash the GOP will feel from this is the wrath of the Moral Issue folks who probably feel betrayed and deceived.
The fall from grace will be hard and swift. Not to mention the hipocritical nature of the entire situation. Rep Foley was a "leading light" in getting predator leglislation passed. I'd love to see what he may have said about gay marriage.
Carl Rove or any other politico has nothing to do with this issue. |
I don't think it shows that the party is "not so moral after all" - it shows that this guy isn't moral...and anyone that supports what he did/almost did.
I plan to continue to vote Republican. |
and it really does seem to be all about supressing the vote of folks like you
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 10:31 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | yeh for all the whining the Dems do about Karl Rove they sure do a much better job of pulling stuff like this off.
Course when the Republicans give them the rope ... |
You made your own point.
Consider this: The Republicans have elevated themselves onto a very lofty "moral issues" plateau. Now when a major, "moral" issue comes out, it will show the party is not so moral after all. The backlash the GOP will feel from this is the wrath of the Moral Issue folks who probably feel betrayed and deceived.
The fall from grace will be hard and swift. Not to mention the hipocritical nature of the entire situation. Rep Foley was a "leading light" in getting predator leglislation passed. I'd love to see what he may have said about gay marriage.
Carl Rove or any other politico has nothing to do with this issue. |
I don't think it shows that the party is "not so moral after all" - it shows that this guy isn't moral...and anyone that supports what he did/almost did.
I plan to continue to vote Republican. |
and it really does seem to be all about supressing the vote of folks like you |
...and all my friends I've discussed this with continue to vote Republican as well.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 10:36 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | yeh for all the whining the Dems do about Karl Rove they sure do a much better job of pulling stuff like this off.
Course when the Republicans give them the rope ... |
You made your own point.
Consider this: The Republicans have elevated themselves onto a very lofty "moral issues" plateau. Now when a major, "moral" issue comes out, it will show the party is not so moral after all. The backlash the GOP will feel from this is the wrath of the Moral Issue folks who probably feel betrayed and deceived.
The fall from grace will be hard and swift. Not to mention the hipocritical nature of the entire situation. Rep Foley was a "leading light" in getting predator leglislation passed. I'd love to see what he may have said about gay marriage.
Carl Rove or any other politico has nothing to do with this issue. |
I don't think it shows that the party is "not so moral after all" - it shows that this guy isn't moral...and anyone that supports what he did/almost did.
I plan to continue to vote Republican. |
and it really does seem to be all about supressing the vote of folks like you |
...and all my friends I've discussed this with continue to vote Republican as well. |
same here - perhaps a backlash will occur
I wonder if we ought to set up a betting pool on when the next dirty trick will come down the pike
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 10:39 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | yeh for all the whining the Dems do about Karl Rove they sure do a much better job of pulling stuff like this off.
Course when the Republicans give them the rope ... |
You made your own point.
Consider this: The Republicans have elevated themselves onto a very lofty "moral issues" plateau. Now when a major, "moral" issue comes out, it will show the party is not so moral after all. The backlash the GOP will feel from this is the wrath of the Moral Issue folks who probably feel betrayed and deceived.
The fall from grace will be hard and swift. Not to mention the hipocritical nature of the entire situation. Rep Foley was a "leading light" in getting predator leglislation passed. I'd love to see what he may have said about gay marriage.
Carl Rove or any other politico has nothing to do with this issue. |
I don't think it shows that the party is "not so moral after all" - it shows that this guy isn't moral...and anyone that supports what he did/almost did.
I plan to continue to vote Republican. |
and it really does seem to be all about supressing the vote of folks like you |
...and all my friends I've discussed this with continue to vote Republican as well. |
same here - perhaps a backlash will occur
I wonder if we ought to set up a betting pool on when the next dirty trick will come down the pike |
so a predator/sexual harrasing Republican is all part of a Liberal Left Wing Conspiracy?
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 10:49 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: |
I wonder if we ought to set up a betting pool on when the next dirty trick will come down the pike |
"Dirty trick" being?
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:01 Post subject:
| Wicked Flea wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: |
I wonder if we ought to set up a betting pool on when the next dirty trick will come down the pike |
"Dirty trick" being? |
like fake military papers on the president
like sitting on the whole Foley thing till now
shezam they just always come up right before the election
the Democratic War Room has a real problem now - keep the Foley thing going or let loose the next one
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Wicked Flea
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:08 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: |
shezam they just always come up right before the election
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You mean like the scare tactics the Republicans use right before elections.
"Code Orange"
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like sitting on the whole Foley thing till now
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I'll give you the fake military papers but unless you actually have proof (and a link to it) that the Democrats did sit on the "whole Foley thing" until now then that is just supposition (and desire) on your part.
And on the part of other Republicans.
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:15 Post subject:
| Wicked Flea wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: |
shezam they just always come up right before the election
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You mean like the scare tactics the Republicans use right before elections.
"Code Orange"
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like sitting on the whole Foley thing till now
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I'll give you the fake military papers but unless you actually have proof (and a link to it) that the Democrats did sit on the "whole Foley thing" until now then that is just supposition (and desire) on your part.
And on the part of other Republicans. |
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:19 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | Wicked Flea wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: |
shezam they just always come up right before the election
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You mean like the scare tactics the Republicans use right before elections.
"Code Orange"
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like sitting on the whole Foley thing till now
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I'll give you the fake military papers but unless you actually have proof (and a link to it) that the Democrats did sit on the "whole Foley thing" until now then that is just supposition (and desire) on your part.
And on the part of other Republicans. |
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What does that mean?
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:22 Post subject:
| Wicked Flea wrote: | |
What does that mean?[/quote]
I think it means WTR is in denial that a Republican could do such a thing. After all, its the headonistic Democrats that "usually, or are prone to, do that".
Morality or sleaze knows no political or religious borders. Look at "Brother Swaggart".
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Wicked Flea
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:26 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | Wicked Flea wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: |
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What does that mean? |
I think it means WTR is in denial that a Republican could do such a thing. After all, its the headonistic Democrats that "usually, or are prone to, do that".
Morality or sleaze knows no political or religious borders. Look at "Brother Swaggart". |
I think it means that he knows that is it just conjecture on his part and that of Limbaugh, Hannity and others that the Democrats not only knew about this but also sat on it until right before the election.
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Posted: 10/06/06 - 11:32 Post subject:
| Wicked Flea wrote: |
I think it means that he knows that is it just conjecture on his part and that of Limbaugh, Hannity and others that the Democrats not only knew about this but also sat on it until right before the election. |
Above all remember: This is politics and this is Washington DC. I may add its nothing new.
Take a look at George Wills' Column:
Fall of Foley doubly bad for GOP
First published: Friday, October 6, 2006
The Reverend Elmer Gantry was reading an illustrated pink periodical devoted to prize-fighters and chorus girls in his room at Elizabeth J. Schmutz Hall late of an afternoon when two large men walked in without knocking.
"Why, good evening, Brother Bains -- Brother Naylor! This is a pleasant surprise. I was, uh -- Did you ever see this horrible rag? ... I was thinking of denouncing it next Sunday. I hope you never read it."
-- Sinclair Lewis, "Elmer Gantry"
In life as in literature, Elmer Gantry is a recurring American figure. He is making yet another appearance in the matter of former Rep. Mark Foley.
Sinclair Lewis' "Elmer Gantry," like most of his novels, is dreadful as literature but splendid as a symptom. Published in 1927, the year Charles Lindbergh flew the Atlantic and Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs and the American craft of ballyhoo was being perfected, the novel was a cartoonish blast of contempt for tub-thumping evangelists who were doing well for themselves while pretending to do good works to redeem this naughty world. Gantry succumbed to temptations of the flesh and the real estate market. The modern twist to the fall of Foley -- public protector and private predator of children -- is the warp speed with which it moved from expose to therapy: Foley, who has entered alcohol rehab, says he takes "responsibility" for what he has become as a result of abusive priests, and demon rum.
Rest of the column is here:
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=523137&category=OPINION&newsdate=10/6/2006
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