Mom's eavesdropping 'illegal"
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brie k
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 Posted: 12/11/04 - 19:27 Post subject: Re: Mom's eavesdropping 'illegal"
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Minor children do not have any rights in my house unless they are given to them by me. My daughter has very limited rights in any of the homes she goes to.
Doors are never shut. Phone calls are taken in the living room. Drawers/room are not off limit for searching. Dishonesty (in any form) is not tolerated. |
It's the same way here, and they all know it. It's good to be Queen.
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Sahara
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Posted: 12/12/04 - 00:52 Post subject: Re: Mom's eavesdropping 'illegal"
| Ms. Jenn wrote: |
Minor children do not have any rights in my house unless they are given to them by me. My daughter has very limited rights in any of the homes she goes to.
Doors are never shut. Phone calls are taken in the living room. Drawers/room are not off limit for searching. Dishonesty (in any form) is not tolerated. |
My children do indeed have rights. They have every right to be respected by me and other adults. That includes a level of privacy, albeit set by me but occasionally opened for negotiation by them and decided upon by us (the child and I). I strongly object to the idea that children have no rights except as given by an adult (including a parent). One would hope that all children have reasonable parents who can set appropriate limits/have rules, but I know that not to be true in many cases. Some parents misinterpret rules/limits with RIGHTS.
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Ms. Jenn
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Posted: 12/12/04 - 10:57 Post subject: Re: Mom's eavesdropping 'illegal"
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My children do indeed have rights. They have every right to be respected by me and other adults. That includes a level of privacy, albeit set by me but occasionally opened for negotiation by them and decided upon by us (the child and I). I strongly object to the idea that children have no rights except as given by an adult (including a parent). One would hope that all children have reasonable parents who can set appropriate limits/have rules, but I know that not to be true in many cases. Some parents misinterpret rules/limits with RIGHTS. |
I do not misinterpret rules/limits with Rights. I should say that she does have some rights.
In my house this applies:
She does not have the right to free speech without punishment (she will not and cannot say whatever she wants), she does not have the right to bear arms. At her age (6), she doesn't have the right to privacy, although I do respect it. She does not have the right to an attorney. She does not have the right to remain silent (when she's been in trouble).
She does have the right to vote (though not in national, state or local elections, just those set in our home), she does have the right to petition the government (me), she has a right to no cruel and unusual punishment.
If she committed a crime and were arrested, she should be treated as any other criminal, despite being my daughter. At this point, she would have the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney.
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brie k
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Posted: 12/13/04 - 08:02 Post subject: Re: Mom's eavesdropping 'illegal"
| Sahara wrote: |
My children do indeed have rights. They have every right to be respected by me and other adults. That includes a level of privacy, albeit set by me but occasionally opened for negotiation by them and decided upon by us (the child and I). I strongly object to the idea that children have no rights except as given by an adult (including a parent). One would hope that all children have reasonable parents who can set appropriate limits/have rules, but I know that not to be true in many cases. Some parents misinterpret rules/limits with RIGHTS. |
I remember hearing about the sawed-off part of the shotgun barrel being on one of the boys' dresser's (Columbine) and his parents not knowing. I wonder if they confused his rights as a teen and their rights as a parent?
No one here is immune from the awful types of violence we hear about on the news involving children. No one here can know that their child will not be the perpetrator of such violence. No one knows 100% what is going on in their kid's minds or their lives. Sometimes eavesdropping and snooping are the only ways to find out what they are doing out in the Big World without us.
How would you feel if the boyfriend in this case had admitted to murder and not thievery? Does that make a difference?
And Jenn, ITA with you. Although, I'm sure my kids think their punishments are cruel and unusual!
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Posted: 12/13/04 - 09:42 Post subject:
Kids guilty send his butt to JAIL!!!!!
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Posted: 12/13/04 - 10:18 Post subject: Re: Mom's eavesdropping 'illegal"
| Ms. Jenn wrote: |
I do not misinterpret rules/limits with Rights. I should say that she does have some rights.
In my house this applies:
She does not have the right to free speech without punishment (she will not and cannot say whatever she wants), she does not have the right to bear arms. At her age (6), she doesn't have the right to privacy, although I do respect it. She does not have the right to an attorney. She does not have the right to remain silent (when she's been in trouble).
She does have the right to vote (though not in national, state or local elections, just those set in our home), she does have the right to petition the government (me), she has a right to no cruel and unusual punishment.
If she committed a crime and were arrested, she should be treated as any other criminal, despite being my daughter. At this point, she would have the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney. |
LOL! Good stuff Ms Jenn! 
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Posted: 12/13/04 - 11:43 Post subject:
I think we're talking about two different standards here. There's the parental standard and then the legal standard. Having not looked at the actual opinion I'd have to say that the lead sentence in the original article is a bit overblown.
The parent still has the right, within reason, to run their house as they see fit, but when it comes to a jury trial a different standard has to apply.
No one seems to be telling Mom that she can't punish her daughter for what she clandestinely intercepts on the phone, but it can't be the basis for a trial judgment against the person on the other end.
Medium is important here, too. I think that if she had overheard the conversation from outside the door it wouldn't have been any issue at all.
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HYPERASHEL
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Posted: 12/14/04 - 23:23 Post subject:
one simple line we all heard.
"while your under this roof you'll......"
they're minors, clear cut. as an adult in a community the GF's mother did right. so many people are afraid to do a damn thing because of the frikkin liberal minded. the kid did something wrong, they need to be taught the consequences of his action. the mother was listening, more than likely, for the concern of her daughter. you see everyday a commercial telling parents to get more involved,play the "bad "guy when they do this sh!t happens. DOUBLE STANDARDS.
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