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 Posted: 05/09/06 - 01:00 Post subject: Mind over matter...is it a science? + info on marathons etc.
Ok this might sound a bit noobish, but after having watched David Blaine on tv tonight i have truly been inspired. I was wondering if anyone had any info on how he trains/where he trains and if there are any good books/articles on how it all works. I've searched the internet and i couldn't find much, but my search isn't over...I was looking to imply the theory/theories into my own training. When i first started running (about 6 months ago...it was also very light and recreational) i could barely run a mile without feeling like i was going to die. I now can run 5 miles (last 3-400 meters are alays a killer tho....) I'm only 17 but i'd like to start taking training more seriously over the next few years since i plan on applying for OCS. (Officer Canidates Course) It'd be Great to be in SUPER good shape when the time comes.
also what kind of races are there? Marathons, 1/2 marathons, triathalons (sorry about spelling) and what do they consist of....
and one last thing : i think triathalons would be good since military isn't just straight flat running....are there different kinds of these races?
Thanks for all you help in advance
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kobyj
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Posted: 05/09/06 - 07:27 Post subject:
I believe that there is a certain amount of mind over matter.
My first time in Chicago, I thought "why am I doing this" as early as the first mile (the race is 26.2 miles). I ended up crashing and having to struggle through the last 5 miles. My second time, I never had that thought go through my mind and I ran it almost 10 minutes faster (I'll have to check to make sure of that). But regardless of times, if you have a postive outlook and optimistic viewpoint of what you are doing, then you will feel good and be able to achieve more.
Regarding races. There are all kinds of races out there. half marathons (13.1 miles), marathons (26.2 miles), ultra-marathons (>26.2 miles). Some ultras are distance based (50k, 100k, 133mi). Some ultras are time based (see how far you can run in 6hrs, 12hrs, 24hrs, 48hrs). I have done a few of the 24hrs and find them fun to see exactly how far I can go.
Triathlons also come in different distances. Typically consisting of swim-bike-run, they can be 800m/20mi/3mi to 2.4mi/112mi/26.2mi.
Then beyond that you have adventure races. These races are orienteering, biking, hiking, running, canoeing, and whatever else they can throw at you. Now, I've never done one of these, but I would like to at some point.
If you have only been running for 6 months and are at 5miles, I think that's pretty good. How fast are you running the 5 miles? Have you considered cross country in the fall?
*Edited to fix distance mistake. 
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purple hayes
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Posted: 05/09/06 - 08:10 Post subject:
A lot of it is mind over matter.
A friend of mine was one of the first Ironmen (2.4 mi. swim/112 mi. bike and 26.2 mi run). He came from a running background, sometimes up to 80 miles per week of running, but hadn't ridden a bike since he was a kid and the furthest he had ever swam before was from the diving board to the edge of the pool.
He only had a week or two to train for his first Ironman. He rode a borrowed bike and rode that around for a week and swam in the ocean a couple of times.
On race day he managed to finish the race and he said the hardest part was riding on that tiny little bicycle seat for so many hours.
Mind over matter.
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mourning_w00d
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Posted: 05/09/06 - 14:06 Post subject:
I've really only being running serious for about a month or 2 actually. the first 3-4 months was more, "ok we are going to jog a mile or two". i typically run the 5 miles in just under 40 minutes. I'm going to start pushing myself a little bit harder these next couple weeks. I'm sure i could make much more progress if i wasn't leaving. (I leave for boot camp in about 4 weeks and i have so much stuff going on right now its hard to focus or put alot of time into anything) I think i'd really like to try a triathlon. Hearing your stories are pretty cool.
Oh and to answer yoru question: I just graduated highschool at semester (aka i graduated halfway through my senior year) I wish i had tried cross country but i was one of those "weight lifter guys" who had to fight to keep on weight. Now that i run i seem to be in alot better shape. (like in judo/brazilian jiu jitsu...i always can outlast most other people now..) Sorry i don't want to sound like all i do is talk about myself...far from true...i'm just enjoying pushing myself to the max....
kobyj...when you did the 24hr marathon (or ultra) did you get any sleep at that time? Or how did you manage to run 24 hours straight??? how's that work?
Adventure races sound pretty cool too...
thanks for all your help.
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Posted: 05/09/06 - 16:23 Post subject:
I know that I am no experienced runner, or have I pushed myself to the heights of these other runners. What I do know is that for me running is deffinitly mind over matter. Not being the slimmest or fittest of people running does not come easy to me, but there is a point I reach after running for half an hour where I seem to break away from the physical part of running and it all just seems to get easier. My legs don't seem as heavy and my breathing not as laboured. This is the high point and when running just seems fun  I hope that no matter how far running takes me that I can always feel like this.
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Posted: 05/09/06 - 18:07 Post subject:
I have a Marine buddy who runs, but no serious training other than weight lifting.
In Iraq he decided he wanted to run the 'thon and did it a week later. 
I'm not sure I recommend that type of mind over matter.
And welcome! 
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kobyj
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Posted: 05/10/06 - 17:56 Post subject:
| mourning_w00d wrote: | I've really only being running serious for about a month or 2 actually. the first 3-4 months was more, "ok we are going to jog a mile or two". i typically run the 5 miles in just under 40 minutes. I'm going to start pushing myself a little bit harder these next couple weeks. I'm sure i could make much more progress if i wasn't leaving. (I leave for boot camp in about 4 weeks and i have so much stuff going on right now its hard to focus or put alot of time into anything) I think i'd really like to try a triathlon. Hearing your stories are pretty cool.
Oh and to answer yoru question: I just graduated highschool at semester (aka i graduated halfway through my senior year) I wish i had tried cross country but i was one of those "weight lifter guys" who had to fight to keep on weight. Now that i run i seem to be in alot better shape. (like in judo/brazilian jiu jitsu...i always can outlast most other people now..) Sorry i don't want to sound like all i do is talk about myself...far from true...i'm just enjoying pushing myself to the max....
kobyj...when you did the 24hr marathon (or ultra) did you get any sleep at that time? Or how did you manage to run 24 hours straight??? how's that work?
Adventure races sound pretty cool too...
thanks for all your help. |
5 miles in just under 40 mins is a fairly good pace. Definitly so for just a few months.
During the 24's I've done, I did sleep. The only reason I slept was due to injury or getting sick. In 24 hr races, you don't run for the entire 24hrs. You'll run a mile, walk 1/2 (or something similar) and keep mixing walks in to recover. During your walk breaks, is when you eat or drink. My last one, I was out walking/running until I couldn't do it any longer. In fact, they almost took me to the hospital because I couldn't stand up or sit up without almost blacking out.
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