Marathoner hack of the day
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camelia bedelia
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 Posted: 12/01/05 - 15:09 Post subject:
| Karlene wrote: | | So is it possible he didn't cheat? and the chip malfunctioned? |
That's what I was trying to ask. Will Boston or the Philly marathon investigate his time?
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megawill
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Posted: 12/01/05 - 15:37 Post subject:
ironic (to me anyway) that everyone is so offended about this potential 'cheat', yet no one wants to discuss duke....
(my editorial/sociological observation for the day)
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Posted: 12/01/05 - 15:43 Post subject: hard to believe runningforums.com has passionate runners, eh
| megawill wrote: | | yet no one wants to discuss duke.... |
thread?
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Cappy
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Posted: 12/01/05 - 17:15 Post subject:
| megawill wrote: | ironic (to me anyway) that everyone is so offended about this potential 'cheat', yet no one wants to discuss duke....
(my editorial/sociological observation for the day)
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Maybe, just maybe, since this is a running/fitness site, not a political site (which some people who post in this forum seem to forget) is why this topic interests more of us than your Hack of the Day thread
my editorial/sociological observation for the day
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megawill
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Posted: 12/01/05 - 22:43 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | megawill wrote: | ironic (to me anyway) that everyone is so offended about this potential 'cheat', yet no one wants to discuss duke....
(my editorial/sociological observation for the day)
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Maybe, just maybe, since this is a running/fitness site, not a political site (which some people who post in this forum seem to forget) is why this topic interests more of us than your Hack of the Day thread
my editorial/sociological observation for the day |
maybe, just maybe, I find it funny why we (a collective we, not just those that post in this forum or this website) don't find all forms of cheating equally disgusting...whether it happens in our chosen sport or at the expense of our tax dollars...
and really i could give a rats arse who or who does not find the 'hack of the day' interesting...it is interesting to me so i post it but you know i'm weird that way, things i find absolutely fascinating generate a yawn in many, just ask my wife  ... but hey that is fine, my ego isn't tied up in my 'persona' or my post count...it's your choice to read, respond, ignore as you see fit..
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 08:38 Post subject:
| megawill wrote: | but you know i'm weird that way, things i find absolutely fascinating generate a yawn in many, just ask my wife ...
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Its true. 
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jrjo
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 11:29 Post subject:
Maybe it's just me... but I come to runningforums.com to share mostly running related things with fellow runners having a similar commitment and lifestyle. Justifying internet-flaming by calling it "interesting" is patronizing. If runningforums is indeed forums centered around running, perhaps the occasional forray into politics or such hold more water if there was a basis of walking-the-talk for the entire premise of this site... Running, Fitness, Training. Logging in here strictly for political baiting is a lot of talk-the-talk. Walking-the-talk of running holds the most weight around here since, again, it is runningforums.com. And that is why 7 out of 10 forums are fitness based and running related threads garner more posts than others and why fur flies over running 'cheats' versus political 'cheats'. Interesting, ironic or otherwise, runningforums.com is what it is and smearing the faces of members in a mirror of what it's not by members that post so little about running is the real interesting irony.
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Pug
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 13:34 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | | there is no way he would have missed the chip mats. The course was designed that you have to hit them. That is my big beef. |
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I don't know anything about Pug and his running history, or even much about chip mats and marathons, but looking over the results there are a lot of people who are missing chip times from various points (especially the half). Couldn't there be any other explanation for it?
I have no idea whether Pug cheated or not. I just seems like something you should have some pretty solid proof of before accusing something of. |
Is the [-you-] code hidden now?
Regardless, I can see missing one chip mat during the marathon (somehow), but missing multiple?
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 13:37 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | Good thing he didn't run the Green Bay Marathon.
Starting next year, that one is going to be the first to have a chip mat at every mile. |
I love it!
Besides catching cheaters, I would love to see a mile by mile breakout of my marathon (yes, I know, buy a better watch).
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 13:41 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | | there is no way he would have missed the chip mats. The course was designed that you have to hit them. That is my big beef. |
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I don't know anything about Pug and his running history, or even much about chip mats and marathons, but looking over the results there are a lot of people who are missing chip times from various points (especially the half). Couldn't there be any other explanation for it?
I have no idea whether Pug cheated or not. I just seems like something you should have some pretty solid proof of before accusing something of. |
I didn't cheat! I swear!
http://onlineraceresults.com/race/view_individual.php?make_printable=1&bib_num=1516&race_id=2116&type=result
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 15:51 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Maybe it's just me... but I come to runningforums.com to share mostly running related things with fellow runners having a similar commitment and lifestyle. Justifying internet-flaming by calling it "interesting" is patronizing. If runningforums is indeed forums centered around running, perhaps the occasional forray into politics or such hold more water if there was a basis of walking-the-talk for the entire premise of this site... Running, Fitness, Training. Logging in here strictly for political baiting is a lot of talk-the-talk. Walking-the-talk of running holds the most weight around here since, again, it is runningforums.com. And that is why 7 out of 10 forums are fitness based and running related threads garner more posts than others and why fur flies over running 'cheats' versus political 'cheats'. Interesting, ironic or otherwise, runningforums.com is what it is and smearing the faces of members in a mirror of what it's not by members that post so little about running is the real interesting irony. |
Not everyone comes here for running info, jrjo. What's wrong with that? The entire site was created around Riff-Raff when the Clubhhouse crashed, and there certainly isn't a lot of running talk going on in there. Does everyone have to post about running to post here? I'm pretty sure everyone who posts in Riff Raff doesn't.
Yes, Jerry could have phrased his comments differently, I'll give you that, but posting threads on political topics isn’t necessarily baiting, it might just be a person commenting on something they find interesting.
I’m truly not posting these comments to be argumentative, but in the spirit of trying to come to some kind of understanding. I hope you can believe that.
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megawill
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 22:41 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Maybe it's just me... but I come to runningforums.com to share mostly running related things with fellow runners having a similar commitment and lifestyle. Justifying internet-flaming by calling it "interesting" is patronizing. If runningforums is indeed forums centered around running, perhaps the occasional forray into politics or such hold more water if there was a basis of walking-the-talk for the entire premise of this site... Running, Fitness, Training. Logging in here strictly for political baiting is a lot of talk-the-talk. Walking-the-talk of running holds the most weight around here since, again, it is runningforums.com. And that is why 7 out of 10 forums are fitness based and running related threads garner more posts than others and why fur flies over running 'cheats' versus political 'cheats'. Interesting, ironic or otherwise, runningforums.com is what it is and smearing the faces of members in a mirror of what it's not by members that post so little about running is the real interesting irony. |
in my pretty limited memory this forum has seen 3 running threads since it has been started, all within the last couple of weeks...you want to talk running, go ahead post something interesting and maybe you'll generate a like interest in responses...
personally, i'm a political junkie and find discussing politcs interesting, so i'm more drawn to this forum than others, if and when i begin training for long distances again rather than fitness running that may well change...i'm confused how the number of miles you put in or the number of posts in other forums should justify your position one way or another on this particular forum...i have a high degree of respect for many people here as runners, that doesn't mean that i agree with what they post in this forum nor does it mean that i always agree with their training advice, but that doesn't prevent me from acknowledging and respecting their personal running accomplishments.
please don't make the false assumption that while many of us here may not see eye to eye on things in this forum, just because we don't post often in the forums of consequence around here, that we don't know, don't care, don't read anything about our sport of choice...that would indeed be an severe error in judgement.
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Noley
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Posted: 12/02/05 - 23:33 Post subject:
Could the guy be Superman and have taken a flying leap over the mat? Huh? Those things aren't very wide...and a jump could be possible.
Really, I don't know? It sounds very screwy to me. The entire thought of someone cheating rubs me wrong. 
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Posted: 12/03/05 - 23:19 Post subject:
I realize the side conversation here has gone off topic for this thread, but it's my thread, so heck, I'll keep going 
I don't know how to say it any clearer than I did in my previous post. All I can do is to ask for it to be read again and what I follow-up with here and try and understand my point. Really, I'm not making some esoteric far fetched observation.
Although my batting average on analogies here in OT is about .010, bear with me through this one and please try to understand versus constructing a defense against it.
My analogy is one of church missionaries. You might not be familiar with organized church attempts to spread the gospel. My home church is all over the country and all over the world with missionary people doing this work. Now bear with me as I explain this. There are probably 4 levels of missionary work. Let's call the first level "crusade" types of missions. Imagine a Billy Grahm whirlwind in a big city with an evening or two, large auditorium, multi-media presentation. Kind of a shock and awe thing. In all reality, not very effective for making converts or filling pews the next weekend, but a fast way to get someone's attention and throw a pressing topic in their face.
The next level of missionary work is something more like a 2 or 3 week evangelism series where every night presentations are done, studies go on and some real conversions begin to take hold.
Beyond this, especially in foreign countries, indepth missionary work goes on. People move to places like Russia for a year, maybe 2. They spend week in and week out meeting people in their assigned communities and spreading the word, building churches and getting long lasting understanding and Bible studies planted and sustained for when they leave. The results of these missions are extraordinary and really amazing.
And the ultimate in the missionary field is what our church calls frontieer missions. This demands commitments such as 5 years at a time. Places like the depths of Africa are where missionaries like this go. They submerge themselves in cultures so incredibly different than their own, the only way to get gain any kind of trust is to spend minimally a year and often more just being a member of the community before even making the first mention of wanting to build a church. And when the years and years pass by with incredible commitment and inch by inch progress, these church planting missionaries have the most incredible stories of bringing people to Christ, it makes believing in miracles very easy.
So where does all this apply to On-Topic? I hope this makes sense because I really don't know how else to explain what I see. Believe you me, I have no dispute with anyone posting here. It's a free site and wide open, post early and post often, I've got no bones about that. You find something interesting? Go ahead, start a thread. Again, it's free, it's wide open and no one stands in the way. Your number of posts indeed has nothing to do with the number of miles you log. Please keep from making a severe error in judgement about my perceptions.
But.
You knew there'd be a 'but'.
Here's where the analogy comes in.
Realize.
Yes, please realize, what people that are non or near-non runners and members posting nearly exclusively in a non-running forum have done is become the first type of missionary in my analogy. There's no commitment to the 'culture' of runningforums.com. There's no attempts to understand the community. There's no comaraderie with folks in riff-raff. There's almost a denial of the single tie that binds this site together..running. And when you post exclusively (or nearly exclusively) in On-Topic, it creates a persona of being on a 'crusade'. It's no different than a shock and awe strike to throw something in the faces of members knowing there isn't going to be any kind of conversion. Seeds aren't going to be planted. It really is what has come to be known as internet flaming. Baiting. Whatever you want to call it.
I can already hear the responses of "no, I post interesting topics", or "I have a right to post whatever I want". And yes, you are right! But what I'm saying is the entire runningforums.com culture and context puts a very defined light on what you post. As much as we'd like to think "the world wide web" is reading what we type here, reality is maybe a couple lurkers might trip across a post here and there, but bottomline is it's the same 30 or 40 people day-in and day-out we're bringing our words to and that audience does have a culture and it does have a venue of comaraderie in riff-raff. So please understand the severity of your judgement to be a near exclusive political poster and dare I say at times an anti-runner attitude, the inch by inch progress of winning trust and open ears becomes impossible. It really does.
..and of course
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Posted: 12/04/05 - 00:03 Post subject:
i can vouch that the chips are NOT 100% check. my last chip race while it "chipped" me it missed several folks. there is only one mat that stretches the across the whole finish line. apparently the reading wire can break and anything on the other side of the break is not detected. I'm not saying he didn't cheat but i can't say he did either. my races are the same way, slow start and fast finishes.
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