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PostPosted: 12/16/03 - 17:38    Post subject: Lord of the Rings question(s)
In anticipation of the final LOTR chapter, I bought the Extended DVD Versions of Fellowship of the Ring & the Two Towers to watch on my new big screen and Home theater system. I'm going to watch the two DVD's back to back this Friday & Saturday, before heading to the the movies to see Return of the King.

Some questions on the original story line about the "ring." How and where did the original ring pass to Gollum? (Sarrum (sp) lost in on the early wars on the battlefield, I think.) And then how did the ring pass from Gollum to Bilbo Baggins? I assume both of these questions were answered in the Hobbit (prequel to the LOTR trilogy), but it's been almost 20 years since I read that book.

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PostPosted: 12/16/03 - 17:53    Post subject:
Spoilers to follow, including one that may be part of Return of the King:

Isildur had the ring but refused to throw it into the pit at Mt. Doom. He was killed on the way back to Gondor and the ring fell into a pond. It was forgotten about for centuries (20, 25 centuries?) until Smeagol and Deagol found the ring. Smeagol killed Deagol and the ring corrupted him until he became Gollum. At some point, Gollum lost the ring and Bilbo picked it up and escaped Gollum after "Riddles in the Dark".

A fair amount of this is answered in the Hobbit, but we get some answers in the Extended Editions of the movies. Return of the King may give the Smeagol/Deagol story.
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PostPosted: 12/16/03 - 18:22    Post subject:
Regarding the One Ring: I've got both extended versions and I seem to recall that the questions are answered...maybe not. It's been a while since I've watched them.

Sauron lost the Ring when his hand was cut off by Isildur. Isildur took the Ring. There was a scene in which Elrond tried to convince him to throw in into Mr. Doom because he knew the power of the Ring. Nah, Isildur kept it. Also, I think that his losing it (and his life!) is also answered in the extended version...maybe not. But of this I'm certain: in Unfinished Tales, it is told that Isildur lost the One Ring in the River Anduin, not a pond. He was slain by orcs. The Ring was in the Anduin for a long time and it was when Smeagol and Deagol were fishing that it was found. Pug's got it right - Deagol found it but Smeagol (a.k.a. Gollum) wanted it because it was his birthday. Deagol resisted and was then choked to death by Smeagol/Gollum. Gollum lived underground for ages - the Ring extended his life. But I seem to recall that it wasn't so much that Gollum lost the Ring - it lost him. It had a power of its own and when Bilbo was in the cave, the Ring slipped off of Gollum's finger with the intention of being found by Bilbo which, of course, it did. Bilbo was the ticket out for the Ring...Sauron had been trying to exert his influence on the Ring so that it could get back to him.

Good thing you're planning on two days for FOTR and TTT. The extended versions run quite a bit longer.
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PostPosted: 12/16/03 - 18:32    Post subject:
thanks for refreshing my memory... I knew it was something like that.
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