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Gogirlgo
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 Posted: 06/30/04 - 09:56 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | | Not in the usual sense of the word. On the other hand, I don't think this Administration fits what I normally think of when I hear that term either, so it's a wash. |
Part 1 Is their any Administration, that has met your meaning of Administration?
Part 2 How would you define Administration, and whom do you feel would be qualified to run the country under your definition? |
I assume a presidential administration has some working knowledge of foreign policy. Most do. This one doesn't. There are doubtless many who are qualifed to run the country. I don't think Dubya is.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:02 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | Cappy wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | | Not in the usual sense of the word. On the other hand, I don't think this Administration fits what I normally think of when I hear that term either, so it's a wash. |
Part 1 Is their any Administration, that has met your meaning of Administration?
Part 2 How would you define Administration, and whom do you feel would be qualified to run the country under your definition? |
I assume a presidential administration has some working knowledge of foreign policy. Most do. This one doesn't. There are doubtless many who are qualifed to run the country. I don't think Dubya is. |
I disagree with Dubya and the foreign policy angle, I believe he has good advisors in place, (Powell, Rice, et al)
I am curious to see who you would choose. Not looking to start a fight, just looking for your ideal candidate
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:19 Post subject:
I have no one specific in mind. Clearly the ideal candidate for me would have a more progressive agenda than does the current crew, but the main thing is, ideology aside, to be capable in matters foreign and domestic. Not just one, and certainly not neither.
I can understand why you think Powell is a good advisor, but what is it about Dr. Rice's experience that makes you think she's also good? Really just curious about your view, not looking to start anything.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:26 Post subject:
What's your take on the Green's David Cobb. I saw that he was nominated within the last week.
As for Dr. Rice, I think she is very intelligent and presents herself very well.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:40 Post subject:
I actually don't know much about him, since I'm going mainstream this time around and also am in crunchtime for my summer class. What do you think of him?
Doubtless Dr. Rice is very intelligent. She was a great provost at Stanford but I am not sure that being smart is all it takes. As far as I can see, what makes her a plus to this pres is her pro-business stance. That's not a bad thing, but I don't think it's enough. She has no military background, she has no social service background or prior political knowledge, and what she does have background in, higher education, isn't a major issue for this administration. That's why I wondered.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:43 Post subject:
G3 please present to me if possible your complete president.
I am just curious what strikes you as the ideal candidate.
I am sure you can find some fault in JF Kerry.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:53 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | I actually don't know much about him, since I'm going mainstream this time around and also am in crunchtime for my summer class. What do you think of him? |
I actually never heard of him, until I saw that he was nominated. I believe it was in the Philadelphia Inquirer
From his bio, (www.votecobb.org/bio.html) I see that he is an attorney and was the GC for the GP. He seems to have some issues with the corporate world (who doesn't)
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:12 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | G3 please present to me if possible your complete president.
I am just curious what strikes you as the ideal candidate.
I am sure you can find some fault in JF Kerry. |
Of course I can, although there is also stuff to like about him. But here's my list right now.
1. He voted to go to war, for one, and he didn't stand up against funding it either time. (In fact, the only person to stand up against it was Robert Byrd.) Didn't vote against the Patriot Act either although now he wants rollbacks on it.
2. He plays both sides of the war game and I hate disingenuousness, although I'm not sure I shouldn't expect it from poiticians.
3. I haven't heard him say that No Child Left Behind is really just a front to end unions.
4. I haven't heard him be nearly progressive enough in matters of social cause domestically or human rights domestically or abroad.
That said, he has months to make these positions known so it's not like I'll never hear it. But if it were uppermost in his platform, I'd have heard it.
I'll think hard about what makes an ideal president. I can't do it right now.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:18 Post subject:
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3. I haven't heard him say that No Child Left Behind is really just a front to end unions. |
I think unions in general have outlived their use and purpose. Unions lost my respect when they started getting involved in politics. Especially in Philadelphia. The Electricians Union practically runs this city.
Unions should not be involved in politics, or if they are, don't use dues from members to support candidates.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:25 Post subject:
I'm frustrated by that union too and I agree that the power of unions, like the power of any entity, can be and is abused. But I think teachers' unions are important. For such a critical job for the betterment of society, we don't pay teachers equitably. We don't give them resources, especially in poor areas. We routinely have them digging into their own pockets to pay for class projects. I would never pay for something myself related to my job--it's not part of this culture. But they do it all the time. So if no one is watching out for teachers, I can see where a union is more critical.
I agree that no union funding should be used to support candidates, but then we'd also have to ensure that no other industry did any type of PAC support, wouldn't we?
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:26 Post subject:
Until I meet someone whom I would entrust with running a country, in my view of the world, NO ONE could possibly run a country without some mistakes made along the way.
Carry on...
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:30 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: |
3. I haven't heard him say that No Child Left Behind is really just a front to end unions. |
I think unions in general have outlived their use and purpose. Unions lost my respect when they started getting involved in politics. Especially in Philadelphia. The Electricians Union practically runs this city.
Unions should not be involved in politics, or if they are, don't use dues from members to support candidates. |
The best way to clean up money and politics would be to institute public financing of all campagins. Of course, that of course brings to bear a new set of dilemmas, such as are you intruding on individual free speech rights? Should "fringe" canidates be allowed the same amount of money as "mainstream" canidates? Who would decide which canidate is fringe and who is mainstream? How do you prevent campagins from becoming a new form of biannual welfare/entitlement?
If you do away with union political money, you also have to do away with all political action committees such as the NRA.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:33 Post subject:
| Orange Bubble wrote: | Until I meet someone whom I would entrust with running a country, in my view of the world, NO ONE could possibly run a country without some mistakes made along the way.
Carry on... |
I agree that mistakes will be made. My concern is the scale of the mistake and the ability to admit the mistake, learn from the mistake and not repeat the mistake.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:35 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | Included in my definition of what an administration is supposed to ably do is have a working knowledge of foreign policy, based on charters and treaties to which we're a signatory. Clearly this administration doesn't have that knowledge. Most do. Doubtless there are many people capable of running a country, but I don't think Dubya is. |
What in the world?! What do you think the UN resolution was all about? What about Saddam's failure to uphold the terms of the de facto Iraqi surrender in 1991? Bush was just fulfilling the obligations of the corrupt UN which had refused to because they were in Saddam's pocket. Fairly obvious observation, don't you think?
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 11:43 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | If you do away with union political money, you also have to do away with all political action committees such as the NRA. |
I disagree with the union political money. Organizations like the NRA, Boy Scouts, Trial Lawyers, and other groups that have PAC's, people join or are affiliated will have a vested interest in that organization and its agenda. Often times the union members have little to do with who the union endorses nor do they have any say in how much of a donation said political group gets. Also, if its a closed shop and you want to work at the particular business, you have no choice but to join the union.
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