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Posted: 01/09/06 - 15:48 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| megawill wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | megawill wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | robp wrote: | | megawill wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
what would you expect a member of the minority to say?
besides if there is a split in power than the Jack Abramoff's of the world have to work just a little bit harder to get themselves entrenched...probably not a bad thing in my book...
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I would expect a member of the minority to say "We need to get in touch with reality, with what the people of this nation really want. We then need to form a platform that appeals to the majority and then we need to convincingly promote this platform." |
yehbut it's much easier to get judgest to make everyone behave the way you ( liberal hacks) want them to
to heck with those brain stem, mouth breathers who voted for the chimp |
if you want to think that tom delay's problems are the results of 'liberal hacks' go right ahead...after all that is the topic at hand here no?
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try as I might I cann't find Delay anywhere in this thread - is this sorta like finding a right to kill babies in the Constitution? |
i appreciate the series of innuendo and non-sequitors but feinstein's quote that started this thread appear in a fox news story concerning Tom Delay's plight....which is were the context comments come from....
Post-DeLay, House GOP to Hold Leadership Election
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And after reading the entire article, Feinstein comes across as a bit of a nitwit with her comments.
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 15:50 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| megawill wrote: | | again hard to fault what she is saying without seeing the full transcript. |
Do you read full transcripts of 700 club programs before a Pat Robertson cut-n-paste quote?
/just curious
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megawill
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Posted: 01/09/06 - 15:53 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| robp wrote: | | megawill wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | megawill wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | robp wrote: | | megawill wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
what would you expect a member of the minority to say?
besides if there is a split in power than the Jack Abramoff's of the world have to work just a little bit harder to get themselves entrenched...probably not a bad thing in my book...
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I would expect a member of the minority to say "We need to get in touch with reality, with what the people of this nation really want. We then need to form a platform that appeals to the majority and then we need to convincingly promote this platform." |
yehbut it's much easier to get judgest to make everyone behave the way you ( liberal hacks) want them to
to heck with those brain stem, mouth breathers who voted for the chimp |
if you want to think that tom delay's problems are the results of 'liberal hacks' go right ahead...after all that is the topic at hand here no?
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try as I might I cann't find Delay anywhere in this thread - is this sorta like finding a right to kill babies in the Constitution? |
i appreciate the series of innuendo and non-sequitors but feinstein's quote that started this thread appear in a fox news story concerning Tom Delay's plight....which is were the context comments come from....
Post-DeLay, House GOP to Hold Leadership Election
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And after reading the entire article, Feinstein comes across as a bit of a nitwit with her comments. |
to each their own....
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Posted: 01/10/06 - 09:13 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
The basic argument boils down to:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Abrhamoff could very well be the "tip of the iceberg". We're forgetting our history - it would do everyone good to remember the Nixon years. Years where cronies were pushing money around to elected reps, White House and all. President Harding's administration is best remembered by the Teapot Dome Oil Scandal.
Before I'm misinterpreted, either side of the spectrum is guilty of power grabs, corruption etc. Lyndon Johnson was as greedy as the next guy; funny how, by the time this dirt poor guy got out of office, he owned several media outlets and was worth millions.
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Posted: 01/11/06 - 02:59 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
The basic argument boils down to:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Abrhamoff could very well be the "tip of the iceberg". We're forgetting our history - it would do everyone good to remember the Nixon years. Years where cronies were pushing money around to elected reps, White House and all. President Harding's administration is best remembered by the Teapot Dome Oil Scandal.
Before I'm misinterpreted, either side of the spectrum is guilty of power grabs, corruption etc. Lyndon Johnson was as greedy as the next guy; funny how, by the time this dirt poor guy got out of office, he owned several media outlets and was worth millions. |
I think Andydp hit it dead on. (Absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The United States has no rival in the world. The United States is the absolute power in this world and has practiced very little restraint......
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Posted: 01/11/06 - 09:58 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| tdassow wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
The basic argument boils down to:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Abrhamoff could very well be the "tip of the iceberg". We're forgetting our history - it would do everyone good to remember the Nixon years. Years where cronies were pushing money around to elected reps, White House and all. President Harding's administration is best remembered by the Teapot Dome Oil Scandal.
Before I'm misinterpreted, either side of the spectrum is guilty of power grabs, corruption etc. Lyndon Johnson was as greedy as the next guy; funny how, by the time this dirt poor guy got out of office, he owned several media outlets and was worth millions. |
I think Andydp hit it dead on. (Absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The United States has no rival in the world. The United States is the absolute power in this world and has practiced very little restraint...... |
yeh we crushed Iraq like a bug and installed a puppet government didn't
darn that stoopid chimp
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Pug
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Posted: 01/11/06 - 13:29 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | tdassow wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
The basic argument boils down to:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Abrhamoff could very well be the "tip of the iceberg". We're forgetting our history - it would do everyone good to remember the Nixon years. Years where cronies were pushing money around to elected reps, White House and all. President Harding's administration is best remembered by the Teapot Dome Oil Scandal.
Before I'm misinterpreted, either side of the spectrum is guilty of power grabs, corruption etc. Lyndon Johnson was as greedy as the next guy; funny how, by the time this dirt poor guy got out of office, he owned several media outlets and was worth millions. |
I think Andydp hit it dead on. (Absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The United States has no rival in the world. The United States is the absolute power in this world and has practiced very little restraint...... |
yeh we crushed Iraq like a bug and installed a puppet government didn't
darn that stoopid chimp |
What?
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Posted: 01/11/06 - 13:57 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| Pug wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | tdassow wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
The basic argument boils down to:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Abrhamoff could very well be the "tip of the iceberg". We're forgetting our history - it would do everyone good to remember the Nixon years. Years where cronies were pushing money around to elected reps, White House and all. President Harding's administration is best remembered by the Teapot Dome Oil Scandal.
Before I'm misinterpreted, either side of the spectrum is guilty of power grabs, corruption etc. Lyndon Johnson was as greedy as the next guy; funny how, by the time this dirt poor guy got out of office, he owned several media outlets and was worth millions. |
I think Andydp hit it dead on. (Absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The United States has no rival in the world. The United States is the absolute power in this world and has practiced very little restraint...... |
yeh we crushed Iraq like a bug and installed a puppet government didn't
darn that stoopid chimp |
What? |
just illustrating how the ignorant chimp bush (who stole the election btw) is using his unrestrained power
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Posted: 01/11/06 - 19:57 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | Pug wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | tdassow wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | wanttorun100 wrote: | | Quote: | Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told FOX News.
"I think there is an arrogance of power. One thing I have learned, I think, from the perspective of the American people, it is very dangerous to have one party control all, the three branches, meaning the House, the Senate and the White House."
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For a probing mind DiFi has an awfully blunt instrument |
The basic argument boils down to:
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Abrhamoff could very well be the "tip of the iceberg". We're forgetting our history - it would do everyone good to remember the Nixon years. Years where cronies were pushing money around to elected reps, White House and all. President Harding's administration is best remembered by the Teapot Dome Oil Scandal.
Before I'm misinterpreted, either side of the spectrum is guilty of power grabs, corruption etc. Lyndon Johnson was as greedy as the next guy; funny how, by the time this dirt poor guy got out of office, he owned several media outlets and was worth millions. |
I think Andydp hit it dead on. (Absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The United States has no rival in the world. The United States is the absolute power in this world and has practiced very little restraint...... |
yeh we crushed Iraq like a bug and installed a puppet government didn't
darn that stoopid chimp |
What? |
just illustrating how the ignorant chimp bush (who stole the election btw) is using his unrestrained power |
You know, until Iraq stands on its own, this will be a serious accusation and one that can't be unproven without time.
But the absolute power line doesn't necessarily refer to Bush or any president. Senators, the US as an entire country throwing its weights around, bullying belligerant foreign policy, etc.
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Posted: 01/13/06 - 08:52 Post subject: Re: Liberal Hack of the Day
| Pug wrote: | | But the absolute power line doesn't necessarily refer to Bush or any president. Senators, the US as an entire country throwing its weights around, bullying belligerant foreign policy, etc. |
I meant for the "absolute power" line to reflect the fact we have the legislative and executive branches controlled by one party. This makes the two brances feel omnipotent. Please note how laws, programs and attitudes all seem to reflect the "we're in power so suck it up".
I feel the US would "throw its weight around" reguardless who is controlling the government. We've done it for years over many administrations.
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Posted: 01/13/06 - 21:38 Post subject:
I'm going to add our governor, again!!
The Plot Thickens
Despite the MJS’ effort to spin this story as a Republican hullabaloo, it looks more and more like Governor Doyle accepted $20,000 in campaign donations and then had his cronies fix a bidding process to favor the folks who gave the donations.
I’m going to post the whole story and highlight the good bits, because Channel 27 has done a fabulous job on this story. It’s nice to see a news organization in Wisconsin actually go after the truth instead of just regurgitating press releases.
27 News has uncovered a Doyle Administration official was the only member of an evaluation committee to support a Milwaukee travel agency’s bid for a state contract worth an estimated $750,000.
State campaign finance records show executives with Adelman Travel Systems and the wife of the firm’s Chairman of the Board contributed $22,000 to Governor Doyle’s campaign in the eleven months surrounding the contract process.
One $10,000 contribution from an Adelman executive was recorded three days after the state contract took effect.
Adelman Travel Systems was selected for the state contract to book an estimated 10,000 airline tickets yearly, despite the committee’s nearly unanimous support for another travel firm.
Committee members also told 27 News, Department of Administration Enterprise Program Section Chief, Georgia Thompson, made unusual comments to fellow committee members during a final, March meeting of the committee.
Committee members told 27 News, Thompson’s comments may have been intended to pressure fellow committee members to change their evaluation scores to favor Adelman Travel Systems.
Evaluation score sheets provided to 27 News include no committee member names. But other state records and interviews have verified the identities of six evaluators.
Scores from all those evaluators ranked Virginia-based, Omega World Travel, above Adelman and three other companies.
The only remaining scores from a committee evaluator ranked Adelman first among the companies.
The only remaining committee member was Thompson.
Committee member Frank Kooistra, UW-Madison Associate Dean, College of Agricultural and Life Sciences, told 27 News the committee’s weeks of evaluation of the competing proposals were carried out objectively and thoroughly.
Kooistra told 27 News, after evaluation scores were submitted during the committee’s final meeting, Thompson told committee members they had a last chance to revise their scores.
“Here we are, at the table, being asked to, whether there were any changes that we wanted to make,” Kooistra told 27 News.
“It was pretty obvious to me there was concern about the order the companies were ranked,” said Kooistra.
Another committee member, who would only speak to 27 News on the condition of anonymity, said Thompson’s comments could have been construed as an attempt to pressure committee members to change scores to select Adelman.
Repeated requests by 27 News for an interview with Thompson have been rejected by DOA officials.
In an e-mail from Marc Marotta, DOA Secretary at the time of the contract process, Marotta defended the process. “We wanted the most cost efficient option that could provide good service. After that, the matter was left up to the Committee. I really was not involved after that,” wrote Marotta.
Kooistra said he responded to the request for reconsideration in strong terms. “I said right away, I am not changing my scores.”
Following the March final committee meeting, e-mails reviewed by 27 News show several committee members praised Omega’s contract bid and urged the awarding of the travel contract to Omega.
DOA Enterprise Operations Administrator Pat Farley told 27 News because scores from the evaluation committee on contract quality issues, combined with a separate evaluation of costs proposals from the competing firms were so close, state officials decided to conduct what’s called a “best and final” contract phase, with firms submitting new cost proposals.
In response, committee member Peg Lafky, Department of Transportation Accounting Supervisor, wrote, “if there is enough dissention [sic] regarding this additional step in the process, will DOA decide not to do this and award the contract to the one who received the most points?”
The best and final contract phase was conducted. State records show Adelman and Omega finished in a tie.
Farley said Adelman won the contract based on a tiebreaker involving certain aspects of the cost proposal as outlined in state procurement rules.
“We got approximately $30,000 in extra savings when we really drilled down in the end,” DOA spokesman Scott Larrivee told 27 News.
Records provided to 27 News show Adelman’s fee per transaction was $24, compared to Omega’s $28.
Omega executive Diane Bozicevich told 27 News the contract process was fair.
But Bozicevich disputed that Adelman’s proposal represented the lowest bid, citing Adelman’s fees on flight cancellations and itinerary changes. Omega proposed no fees on those transactions.
Adelman executives have returned no calls from 27 News.
Governor Doyle’s spokesperson, Melanie Fonder, has said there is no connection between the contract award to Adelman and the campaign contributions.
It looks to me like Doyle sold the state’s travel contract to Adelman for $22,000. If this is not strong enough evidence of foul play for an investigation to be launched, then what is? Where is the Attorney General? Where is the ethics board?
A good start would be for Jim Doyle to return the $22,000 to avoid the appearance of corruption. A good finish would be for Doyle to be kicked out of office for his obvious inability to make a decision about how to run the state without a campaign donation to point the way.
maybe our entire state
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